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Like that's in any way relevant?
Of course it's relevant.

You can concern yourself with future R numbers and 'what might happen' but the reality today is @80 people are dying per day out of a population of 66,000,000. The odds are good that it's not going to kill you.



I wholeheartedly agree with the hand washing, masks and distancing.
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Old 13.08.2020, 14:55
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Of course it's relevant.

You can concern yourself with future R numbers and 'what might happen' but the reality today is @80 people are dying per day out of a population of 66,000,000. The odds are good that it's not going to kill you.

I wholeheartedly agree with the hand washing, masks and distancing.
The odds are only good that it's not going to kill you when you ignore the R numbers
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Old 13.08.2020, 15:08
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I wholeheartedly agree with the hand washing, masks and distancing.
You don't have to go out of your way with disclaimers - you never said that you wouldn't believe in those measures

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The odds are only good that it's not going to kill you when you ignore the R numbers
I'll get interested if and when deaths start to rise. Its a lagging indicator I accept, but that's less of a problem when R is 1.2 than when its 3
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The odds are only good that it's not going to kill you when you ignore the R numbers
Or if you are young. My dad's survived it in his late 50s with mild-moderate symptoms (more post-viral fatigue than acute difficulties), so I'd like to think the odds are in my favour.

I'd still rather not get it, and i'd certainly not want to pass it to someone vulnerable but I'm not letting it upset me.
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Old 13.08.2020, 15:52
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Or if you are young. My dad's survived it in his late 50s with mild-moderate symptoms (more post-viral fatigue than acute difficulties), so I'd like to think the odds are in my favour.

I'd still rather not get it, and i'd certainly not want to pass it to someone vulnerable but I'm not letting it upset me.
I am also late 50's & survived, it's hardly a surprise as the chance of surviving aged 58 is about 99%.
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I am also late 50's & survived, it's hardly a surprise as the chance of surviving aged 58 is about 99%.
I'm sure you wouldn't voluntarily do anything with a 1/100 mortality rate though, right?
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I suspect skiing over 1000 days off piste has a mortality rate of at least that. I did however break 3 vertebrae & 10 ribs 2 ski seasons ago. I would not let the rescuers put me in the recovery position as I felt it was preferable to drown in my own blood than be paralysed. Quality or quantity of life any day, I don't seem to be as fearful of death than you are.

Just being alive has a mortality rate well in excess of 1% for someone my age, I cant find the statistics but around 25% of 21 year olds don't make it to 65
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Old 13.08.2020, 16:11
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I am also late 50's & survived, it's hardly a surprise as the chance of surviving aged 58 is about 99%.
Were you actually ill or was this via an antibody test?
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I suspect skiing over 1000 days off piste has a mortality rate of at least that. I did however break 3 vertebrae & 10 ribs 2 ski seasons ago. I would not let the rescuers put me in the recovery position as I felt it was preferable to drown in my own blood than be paralysed. Quality or quantity of life any day, I don't seem to be as fearful of death than you are.

Just being alive has a mortality rate well in excess of 1% for someone my age, I cant find the statistics but around 25% of 21 year olds don't make it to 65
That seems unlikely, as 87% of males make it to 65 in the UK.

Are you suggesting living to 21 is more likely to get you killed before 65?

Illogical, captain.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...name_desc=true
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When the actions of your body endanger others it shouldn't be, no. Anti-vax idiots endanger the population in general, compulsion is perfectly appropriate here.
Actions of your body! Smoking endangers others. Driving a car endangers others.Consuming endangers others. Need I go on . Life endangers others. Why don't you lock yourself in a cellar and throw away the key?
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Were you actually ill or was this via an antibody test?
I was ill in January, spent 5 days in bed & took a couple of months to recover reasonable fitness, the ski season ended too early to find out if I fully recovered, I will find out next year. Of course there were no swab tests & I did not even see a Dr as COVID 19 was not in Europe at the time, however I have antibodies 6 months later.
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Old 13.08.2020, 16:18
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That seems unlikely, as 87% of males make it to 65 in the UK.

Are you suggesting living to 21 is more likely to get you killed before 65?

Illogical, captain.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...name_desc=true
There was a graphic the Life insurance industry used to use about 30 years ago. I saw it a couple of years ago with a search however everything is now just COVID. Looking at that info this makes sense as between 1980-2000 percentages increased from about 63%-66% amazing how much things have improved in the last 20 years.
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I was ill in January, spent 5 days in bed & took a couple of months to recover reasonable fitness, the ski season ended too early to find out if I fully recovered. Of course there were no swab tests as COVID 19 was not in Europe at the time, however I have antibodies 6 months later.
How is respiratory function? Did you cough a lot? I think I am mainly worried about how one's immune system reacts...Is there a place in VD or GE to get tested for antibodies, do you know - and how much is it? I have been mega healthy but we have been troubled with allergies that are new, so..
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I was ill in January, spent 5 days in bed & took a couple of months to recover reasonable fitness, the ski season ended too early to find out if I fully recovered, I will find out next year. Of course there were no swab tests & I did not even see a Dr as COVID 19 was not in Europe at the time, however I have antibodies 6 months later.
Yes, you're an extraordinarily fit and healthy person. How's that relevant for everybody else?
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Old 13.08.2020, 16:24
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https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Well one can scroll down to the map, move left and go through data since 2015. As will become obvious, periodic incidents of excess deaths occur all the time in various places, for whatever reason, usually in winter obviously due to particularly bad strains of the flu, which I'm sure everyone knows. Scroll to 01/02/03-2017, in case anyone remembers the big lockdown of 2017.

And yeah yeah yeah, it may have been a little more this year, no one disputed that (the ONLY thing that was EVER disputed is the complete disproportionate reaction that persists to this day) and yeah yeah yeah, it's only "not massive excess everywhere for weeks on end this year because of lockdown blablah". No need to respond this for the millionths time, we know by now and, in the meantime, will await proof.

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Yes, you're an extraordinarily fit and healthy person. How's that relevant for everybody else?
Because most people are generally healthy?

Folks do realize that contracting a virus says very little about general health right? It's perfectly normal. How the body reacts to it is dependent on health to an extent, and sometimes also simply luck.
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Yes, you're an extraordinarily fit and healthy person. How's that relevant for everybody else?
I am not that fit, relative the fit people I know of my generation who spend time in the mountains. I have high blood pressure & high cholesterol, Swiss Dr's put me on medication for both over 10 years ago, although I decided the side effects out weighed the benefit.
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How the body reacts to it is dependent on health to an extent, and sometimes also simply luck.
Exactly.
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How is respiratory function? Did you cough a lot? I think I am mainly worried about how one's immune system reacts...Is there a place in VD or GE to get tested for antibodies, do you know - and how much is it? I have been mega healthy but we have been troubled with allergies that are new, so..
Very bad cough for at least a week. I got tested in France at MIRIALIS laboratories, they have many branches. I just turned up, the cost was €23 for the ROCHE test, probably slightly more in CH. Results online the following day.
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As will become obvious, periodic incidents of excess deaths occur all the time in various places, for whatever reason, usually in winter obviously due to particularly bad strains of the flu, which I'm sure everyone knows. Scroll to 01/02/03-2017, in case anyone remembers the big lockdown of 2017.
You really still don't understand the difference, do you.

For any normal flu (i.e. not a Spanish Flu type situation), a decent proportion of the population will already be wholly or partially immune, having had that particular flavour at some point previously and also a vaccine will exist. These two factors limit the ability of flu to spread and limit the numbers that will be killed. To some extent, if you refuse the vaccine it's also your own fault.

Until 7 or 8 months ago no-one was immune to Covid and there is still no vaccine. Even today we have 21m confirmed cases, therefore perhaps 100 to 200 million total cases out of a global population of over 7 billion. The numbers possibly immune is still small - and reasearch is increasingly suggesting that immunity will anyway be rather short-lived.
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