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Re: Coronavirus

It's odd that some people equate worrying or caring about a pandemic and/or catching a potentially deadly virus with having "hysteria."

‘I thought this was a hoax’: Man, 30, dies after Texas ‘COVID party’
"A 30-year-old man has died of COVID-19 after attending a party meant to prove the coronavirus was a hoax, according to a hospital official in Texas."

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Old 17.08.2020, 19:47
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Probably he thought we would gloat.

But we would not gloat. He was not the only one taken by the mass media hysteria.
So it's OK if you call it like that? Mass (media) hysteria? Does it make your point stronger, do you feel better?

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It's odd that some people equate worrying or caring about a pandemic and/or catching a potentially deadly virus with having "hysteria."
Yeah, it must give them some satisfaction.....I find it not only odd, disingenuous too.

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Old 17.08.2020, 20:05
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Re: Coronavirus

I think what's obvious is that some people need to reevaluate which side of the political spectrum they actually fall on, and not to confuse populism with politics. You may very well be a hypocrite without realizing it, as you let your emotion and pithy gotchas decide your position for you.

One red flag: if you think a worldwide pandemic and the variety of responses isn't a politically divided issue, you're probably much more conservative than you think you are. If you selectively filter the facts to dismiss an emergency response to an acute situation from six months earlier, and prefer rather the correlation of a "see what happens" non-response while the rest of the world takes action for you, you're DEFINITELY more conservative than you think.
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Old 17.08.2020, 20:11
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Re: Coronavirus

Note how every mention of HCQ also includes "in combination with other drugs".

Sweden may have gotten lucky, we'll see how it actually goes with their claims of herd immunity (we don't even know if that's a thing yet). But their fatality numbers are nothing to be proud of. If they had taken it more seriously early on, they would definitely have saved lives. Also, they did institute plenty of social distancing and partial lockdown measures late in the game that definitely helped their curve. They're not out of the woods yet, despite the questionable testimony of one doctor. Let's see how they handle their second wave. Betcha they do it differently this time.
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Old 17.08.2020, 21:39
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ur emotion and pithy gotchas decide your position for you.

One red flag: if you think a worldwide pandemic and the variety of responses isn't a politically divided issue, you're probably much more conservative than you think you are.
You make it sound as if being conservative is something bad?

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Old 17.08.2020, 22:03
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You make it sound as if beeing conservative is something bad?
Not speaking for robogobo, but imo if a person doesn't recognize his or her own place on the spectrum, no matter how far right or left, it's difficult to have a constructive dialogue.
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Old 17.08.2020, 22:13
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Not speaking for robogobo, but imo if a person doesn't recognize his or her own place on the spectrum, no matter how far right or left, it's difficult to have a constructive dialogue.
Ok but why? Why does it matter where, either me or some political expert, would put myself on some made up/man made spectrum, be it linear, horseshoe or full circle.
That has zero effect on my decisions? My beliefs and values determine where someone would put me on this spectrum, not the other way around. In the worst case, i just inform myself solely on a party or interest groups homepage an get tailored information there. So if you mean that I need an echo chamber for a constructive dialogue, then I'd agree with you.
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Old 17.08.2020, 23:34
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Seems to have worked.
If only I knew who you're talking about.
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Old 17.08.2020, 23:46
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The perfect example of the left/right divide with the right wing Sky Australia preaching to the converted and cherry-picking their data. We will see in the coming months how much, if any, herd immunity has been reached in Sweden.
Indeed. Swiss data show a delay of 3-4 weeks between applying serious measures and them showing in falling new test-positives.

Sweden's school/uni holidays began June 10-12, 3-4 weeks later the numbers began to seriously fall. The new school year began last week, we'll see its effect, if any, in 2-3 weeks. If Tegnell Anders with his "up to 30% immune" is correct they should remain where they are or keep falling.
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Old 17.08.2020, 23:48
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Of course, a lot were taken by the mass media hysteria about the covid19 and the economy
I assume you mean taken as in died?
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Old 17.08.2020, 23:58
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You make it sound as if being conservative is something bad?
Well, in the US, being conservative does usually mean that someone is one of the 3 R's: rich, racist or religious.

Or all of the above.

They're usually not very open to other cultures and tend to be more nationalistic than liberals (more closed-minded in general and more resistant to change).

Quite a few studies have been done that have found that people who fall on the left side of the spectrum have greater cognitive ability than those on the right. This is a good paper / meta-analysis regarding a correlation between declined cognitive ability, right-wing ideologies and ethnocentrism and prejudice:

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55893129.pdf

"As concluded by Adorno and colleagues, “the most ethnocentric are, on the average, less intelligent than the least ethnocentric” (p. 284). In line with this observation, several recent investigations confirm that greater cognitive ability is negatively related with right-wing ideological attitudes and prejudice (e.g., Deary, Batty, & Gale, 2008; Hodson & Busseri, 2012; Van Hiel, Onraet, & De Pauw, 2010)."

"The first main finding of our study was that people with greater cognitive resources are more likely to adhere to left-wing beliefs and tend to be less prejudiced, whereas those having lower cognitive abilities are more likely to endorse right-wing beliefs and be more prejudiced"
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Old 18.08.2020, 00:32
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Well, in the US, being conservative does usually mean that someone is one of the 3 R's: rich, racist or religious.

Or all of the above.

They're usually not very open to other cultures and tend to be more nationalistic than liberals (more closed-minded in general and more resistant to change).

Quite a few studies have been done that have found that people who fall on the left side of the spectrum have greater cognitive ability than those on the right. This is a good paper / meta-analysis regarding a correlation between declined cognitive ability, right-wing ideologies and ethnocentrism and prejudice:

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55893129.pdf

"As concluded by Adorno and colleagues, “the most ethnocentric are, on the average, less intelligent than the least ethnocentric” (p. 284). In line with this observation, several recent investigations confirm that greater cognitive ability is negatively related with right-wing ideological attitudes and prejudice (e.g., Deary, Batty, & Gale, 2008; Hodson & Busseri, 2012; Van Hiel, Onraet, & De Pauw, 2010)."

"The first main finding of our study was that people with greater cognitive resources are more likely to adhere to left-wing beliefs and tend to be less prejudiced, whereas those having lower cognitive abilities are more likely to endorse right-wing beliefs and be more prejudiced"
Did you just throw around 200 million people in the same bucket? Apart from that, nothing wrong with being rich or religious.

I am not even questioning the study you quoted, especially since it is coherent with my observation, but what to do with that information? Gettin a sense of supremacy? Thinking that there's no need to listen, even to moderate, conservatives? US Democrats, even though they are supposedly that smart, messed up big time with their basket of deplorables, this term has, imho exactly the same mindset behind it.
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Old 18.08.2020, 09:41
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Well, in the US, being conservative does usually mean that someone is one of the 3 R's: rich, racist or religious.

Or all of the above.

They're usually not very open to other cultures and tend to be more nationalistic than liberals (more closed-minded in general and more resistant to change).

Quite a few studies have been done that have found that people who fall on the left side of the spectrum have greater cognitive ability than those on the right. This is a good paper / meta-analysis regarding a correlation between declined cognitive ability, right-wing ideologies and ethnocentrism and prejudice:

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55893129.pdf

"As concluded by Adorno and colleagues, “the most ethnocentric are, on the average, less intelligent than the least ethnocentric” (p. 284). In line with this observation, several recent investigations confirm that greater cognitive ability is negatively related with right-wing ideological attitudes and prejudice (e.g., Deary, Batty, & Gale, 2008; Hodson & Busseri, 2012; Van Hiel, Onraet, & De Pauw, 2010)."

"The first main finding of our study was that people with greater cognitive resources are more likely to adhere to left-wing beliefs and tend to be less prejudiced, whereas those having lower cognitive abilities are more likely to endorse right-wing beliefs and be more prejudiced"
At least you've finally outed yourself as an extremist
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Old 18.08.2020, 09:48
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I think what's obvious is that some people need to reevaluate which side of the political spectrum they actually fall on, and not to confuse populism with politics. You may very well be a hypocrite without realizing it, as you let your emotion and pithy gotchas decide your position for you.

One red flag: if you think a worldwide pandemic and the variety of responses isn't a politically divided issue, you're probably much more conservative than you think you are. If you selectively filter the facts to dismiss an emergency response to an acute situation from six months earlier, and prefer rather the correlation of a "see what happens" non-response while the rest of the world takes action for you, you're DEFINITELY more conservative than you think.
Socially democratic Sweden didn't lockdown. Communist China did lockdown. Conservative Japan didn't lockdown, Conservative UK did lockdown.

Show me again where the political divide is? Perhaps as you suggest the likes of lifelong socialist Piers Corbyn, who has been arrested on a number of occasions for prostesting the lockdown, simply don't realise they're conservative
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Old 18.08.2020, 10:26
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You make it sound as if being conservative is something bad?
Being conservative is only bad if you don’t realize the consequences of being “conservative” in any given political situation. That seems to be the big problem here, folks. Few people are even aware what their political position entails, much less the consequences. They just joined the same club their father or friends belonged to, and joined the parade to nowhere.

Tony Clifton, I’m not getting sucked into your bullshit, bc that’s all it is. You strike me as a contrarian or even worse, a Libertarian type, who thinks they’re above all issues and all politics. Everything becomes snarky and circular, filtering reason and cherry-picking the facts. Carry on as you like but I’m not falling for your nonsense.
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Old 18.08.2020, 10:42
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Being conservative is only bad if you don’t realize the consequences of being “conservative” in any given political situation. That seems to be the big problem here, folks. Few people are even aware what their political position entails, much less the consequences. They just joined the same club their father or friends belonged to, and joined the parade to nowhere.
Ok fair enough. But you must agree that this works both ways and its equally bad when we substitute "conservative" with "democratic" in your statement. You just might agree more with the outcome, personally.
I haven't met that many "Parteisoldaten" in real life yet in switzerland, but I can imagine that there are a lot within the US two party system.
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The perfect example of the left/right divide with the right wing Sky Australia preaching to the converted and cherry-picking their data. We will see in the coming months how much, if any, herd immunity has been reached in Sweden.
Which reminds me, I wonder how Boris is getting on with his own herd in the UK ?
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Old 18.08.2020, 11:02
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Being conservative is only bad if you don’t realize the consequences of being “conservative” in any given political situation. That seems to be the big problem here, folks. Few people are even aware what their political position entails, much less the consequences. They just joined the same club their father or friends belonged to, and joined the parade to nowhere.

Tony Clifton, I’m not getting sucked into your bullshit, bc that’s all it is. You strike me as a contrarian or even worse, a Libertarian type, who thinks they’re above all issues and all politics. Everything becomes snarky and circular, filtering reason and cherry-picking the facts. Carry on as you like but I’m not falling for your nonsense.
Fair enough, make grand unsubstantiated claims like "people don't realise they're conservative" or declaring that coronavirus scepticism is a "right-wing" issue. It's not a good look if you're not prepared to back up your assertions!

I'm neither libertarian nor contrarian, just an old fashioned conservative (or liberal in the classical sense of the word) however you've already made your opinions on conservatives perfectly clear
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Old 18.08.2020, 11:16
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Fair enough, make grand unsubstantiated claims like "people don't realise they're conservative" or declaring that coronavirus scepticism is a "right-wing" issue. It's not a good look if you're not prepared to back up your assertions!

I'm neither libertarian nor contrarian, just an old fashioned conservative (or liberal in the classical sense of the word) however you've already made your opinions on conservatives perfectly clear
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Not sure if a virus will ask about your political preferences before infecting your cells, why worry?

Back to the virus in CH, around 2 weeks ago something interesting started to happen. The number of daily detected cases started to increase while the hospitalizations went down. People is getting infected and nothing happens.

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