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Old 27.08.2020, 19:35
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Old 27.08.2020, 19:42
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UK just put Switzerland on the quarantine list
Not seen my 91 year old mother since December, since all 3 countries I spend time on are now on the list.
My only option is get a test, likely to be OK as I had antibodies in June, then to fly to London in the morning, isolate at my mothers for a couple of hours & fly home in the evening. Just my luck some retaliation isolation will occur during the day.
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Old 27.08.2020, 20:31
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UK just put Switzerland on the quarantine list
Oh poo..... I thought I was going to be lucky and avoid having to do the 14 day quarantine but no such luck , I can’t fly back until next week

I haven’t seen The Olds since before Christmas so they’re just going to have to wait another couple of weeks to give me a big hug
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Old 27.08.2020, 21:36
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Corona is affecting relationships. Even friends no longer know how to get together since each person has their own sensitivity in adhering to strict safety measures. I’m in contact with hundreds of young people every week and must finally admit that wearing a mask really just protects me and the institution I work for. But privately, how strict should I adhere to safety measures in my circle of friends? There’s no more physical contact and we create distance wile sitting at tables. But what about car pools? Deep discussions? And wanting to comfort?

I’ve read how this virus is affecting relationships negatively and I believe it.
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Old 27.08.2020, 21:49
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With or without lockdown, cancer screening and treatments would have been affected in exactly the same way. It's not the lockdown that is the cause. It's covid and it's threat to patients.

Cancer specialists are crying out for specialist treatment centres which are covid free, meaning no covid patients are allowed on the premises, and all patients and staff are methodically and regularly tested. This is an inconvenience because it would mean any screening would involve travelling over 20 miles for huge proportion of patients.

Many cancer treatments were suspended because they supress the immunity of patients to such a level that they would have become immensely susceptible to covid. It's a fine balancing act, but one which has been brought about by covid and NOT lockdown. I personally know people whose treatment continued uninterrupted throughout lockdown because their particular cocktail of medications doesn't reduce immunity to an unaccepteble level.

Now please stop with the scaremongering around lockdown. Covid is the threat. Lockdown is just one tool at our disposal to avert that threat.
Whilst I see the sincerity in your words, I can't agree.

Its pretty bizarre to refuse to treat someone for a disease they have (and in many cases has good chance of killing them) for fear of worsening their response to disease they don't have, are unlikely to get, and is inherently avoidable.

I'd actually say it is downright medically unethical, and against the hippocratic oath, at least when done without the informed consent of a patient. If I had cancer I'd happily agree to lock myself in the house in order to get the treatment I need, and would take my chances with covid anyday over missing cancer treatment for an acute cancer. It should be a patient's right to make these sorts of choices and the doctor's job should be to advise and explain the various advantages and risks. People were denied this choice and that is just wrong.

Perhaps it is neither covid nor lockdown per se that's the problem, but rather a "lockdown mentality" that went too far in certain areas - this included .
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Old 28.08.2020, 01:59
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Its pretty bizarre to refuse to treat someone for a disease they have (and in many cases has good chance of killing them) for fear of worsening their response to disease they don't have, are unlikely to get, and is inherently avoidable.
Treatment wasn't "refused". It was adapted based upon all the available information in a fast moving situation. It was a temporary measure between March and May whilst the situation was assessed, and didn't apply to all existing patients. The forecast rise in avoidable cancer deaths is mainly due to the reluctance of the public to seek the first assessment. Many of us have a tendency to procrastinate when it comes to such things, but this has been exacerbated by covid.

The real danger is if people don't present with the initial symptoms, there's precious little the medical profession can do about it, which I why they're pressuring the government to appoint covid free hospitals, particularly where there are cancer care centres, instead of the blue zone/red zone method which was deployed at short notice.

The example I used in my post is a friend who has been having chemo fortnightly for 4yrs now, and he'll need it for the rest of his days, which in his case could be 10-20yrs. He's one of 3 people very close to me receiving cancer treatment at the moment. My late mum had non-Hodgkins, which was under control (life limiting but not imminently life threatening) but reduced her immunity to a level where the common cold progressed to pneumonia and emergency hospitalisation within 3 days. The antibiotics for the pneumonia totally wiped out her remaining immunity and she contracted the highly contagious infection which she died with. That was 15yrs ago and my first time learning about R numbers, social distancing, ICU and isolation level hygiene, etc.

If you want more info... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...388-0/fulltext

https://www.esmo.org/oncology-news/c...ents-described
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Old 28.08.2020, 10:45
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UK just put Switzerland on the quarantine list

Well, it seems that people over there still think locking people down, or out in this case, works. V_, is this a panic measure?
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Am I alone in thinking that the the UK quarantine list has little to do with public health and more to do with "see, now we are in control of our borders" which itself is an illusion.
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Am I alone in thinking that the the UK quarantine list has little to do with public health and more to do with "see, now we are in control of our borders" which itself is an illusion.
Exactly that, the government know that they messed up big time in their early handling of the virus. They appear to me like a government that has lost all confidence and are playing everything as safe as they can in order to avoid any further mistakes.
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Old 28.08.2020, 12:31
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Well, it seems that people over there still think locking people down, or out in this case, works. V_, is this a panic measure?
Going into lockdown was a panic measure, now it's pure stupidity as they have nothing better to think of, they can't just simply admit that Swedish approach looks to be way more effective on the long run so some will still keep digging.

Fortunately logic seems to prevail in Europe and we will not see another lockdown
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Re: Coronavirus

Each country is doing what they think is better.

I have a friend that the plan was to leave Switzerland to Perth Australia with Swiss husband (she is Australian and Swiss) and 2 kids and now they cant go. 3500 chf tickets pushed back until end of October
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UK just put Switzerland on the quarantine list
waiting for Sweden to put Switzerland on the quarantine list
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Old 28.08.2020, 20:12
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"Passengers on flights from a country at risk will no longer be able to enter Switzerland via a country that is not at risk. This means that it will no longer be possible to come from the USA and avoid quarantine thanks to a stopover in Canada.

The State Secretariat for Migration (SEM) announced in a press release on Friday the change in practice, which comes into force next Monday. The SEM found that the entry restrictions "were often circumvented" by choosing to transit through certain airports. Until 31 August, the route preceding the flight to Switzerland is not taken into account. After this date, it is the country from which travellers wishing to enter Switzerland depart that is decisive.

Third-country nationals landing in Zurich on a flight from the USA, for example, who are on the list of countries at risk and who have made a stopover in Canada, which is not on the list, will no longer be able to enter Switzerland from 31 August without passing through the quarantine box, details the MES.

The same principle applies in the opposite direction: passengers on flights from a third country that is not considered to be at risk will be able to enter Switzerland even if, due to a lack of direct flights, they had to stop at an airport in a country at risk. The only condition is that they must not leave the international zone of the airport."

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Old 28.08.2020, 21:25
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Going into lockdown was a panic measure, now it's pure stupidity as they have nothing better to think of, they can't just simply admit that Swedish approach looks to be way more effective on the long run so some will still keep digging.

Fortunately logic seems to prevail in Europe and we will not see another lockdown
Perhaps going into lockdown was indeed a panic measure, but isn't some degree of a "panic" warranted during a pandemic? Not to mention the massive shortage of proper PPE equipment for hospitals that they were facing at the time as well as the shortage of masks available for the general public and ventilators for COVID patients. I hate to think of what the death tolls might be if there had never been lockdowns in place.

It's pretty clear, from the chart below, that the lockdown was effective in helping to bring the numbers down in order to get the virus under some degree of control. It's not pure coincidence that the numbers finally began to decline after Switzerland went into lockdown in mid-March. And I highly doubt that it's just pure coincidence that the numbers began to rise again after Switzerland loosened restrictions in the 3rd phase at the beginning of June.

Switzerland's lockdown has sharply reduced the cases of COVID-19: study
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Coronavirus - losing your ability to taste and smell

A growing number of people who recover from Covid-19 are left without taste or smell that
can take a long period of time to recover from such conditions.

BBC News - Coronavirus some victims lose smell and meat tastes like petrol
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In case anyone needs to re-stock their mask supply, ALDI has reduced the price of their 50 pack box of masks to CHF 15.90. The 10 pack is now CHF 3.99.

The have the masks at the check out (at least at the stores in my area).
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In case anyone needs to re-stock their mask supply, ALDI has reduced the price of their 50 pack box of masks to CHF 15.90. The 10 pack is now CHF 3.99.

The have the masks at the check out (at least at the stores in my area).
Great offer although I'm rather attracted to the Bodie & Doyle CI5 face masks myself.

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Each country is doing what they think is better.

I have a friend that the plan was to leave Switzerland to Perth Australia with Swiss husband (she is Australian and Swiss) and 2 kids and now they cant go. 3500 chf tickets pushed back until end of October
Before you leave, I might impress you on what I read today:

"While the U.S. media continues to censor claims that vitamin C can be useful against COVID-19, many practicing physicians and medical researchers are taking it seriously, primarily based on previous studies showing benefit against sepsis, viral illnesses and ARDS.

For example, in one 2019 trial7 involving 167 ICU patients with sepsis and ARDS, IV vitamin C at a dose of 50 mg per kilo every six hours for 96 hours significantly reduced mortality and shortened ICU stays."

I avoid quoting the authors web link, as Moderators jump into the scene!
Please PM me if you are interested in the fact that Vit. C too is a cure for
Covid-19.
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Before you leave, I might impress you on what I read today:

"While the U.S. media continues to censor claims that vitamin C can be useful against COVID-19, many practicing physicians and medical researchers are taking it seriously, primarily based on previous studies showing benefit against sepsis, viral illnesses and ARDS.

For example, in one 2019 trial7 involving 167 ICU patients with sepsis and ARDS, IV vitamin C at a dose of 50 mg per kilo every six hours for 96 hours significantly reduced mortality and shortened ICU stays."

I avoid quoting the authors web link, as Moderators jump into the scene!
Please PM me if you are interested in the fact that Vit. C too is a cure for
Covid-19.
No moderator is going to jump on you for providing back-up evidence of your claims. Exactly the opposite, actually. Until I see a peer-reviewed source confirming your claims, I call BS. Especially on the statement "Vit. C too (sic) is a cure for Covid-19". What are you selling?

Provide the source for this claim, or your post will be deleted.
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No moderator is going to jump on you for providing back-up evidence of your claims. Exactly the opposite, actually. Until I see a peer-reviewed source confirming your claims, I call BS. Especially on the statement "Vit. C too (sic) is a cure for Covid-19". What are you selling?

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probably referring to this study: https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.or...severe-sepsis/
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