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Old 31.08.2020, 11:25
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this freedom already exists: it's called stay at home.
I think people do exactly that. A lot. And I wonder if that facilitates caving in the anxiety.
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Old 31.08.2020, 11:29
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Be thankful that you have some people to discuss with on EF. Outside on the street people have moved on. I was in Valais yesterday and all the talk was about the last year wine and the oncoming vendange.

At my job, the virus reduced to a line in offers and contracts that says "the promised delivery depends on not being forced to shutdown by health restrictions" or something like that.

But that's CH, I doubt you can says "the covid hasnt taken off in Peru" without getting laughed at, looked down or even punched in the face by someone with several dead family members. In the rest of the developing world, testing is not that widespread because of costs. People dying at home never get counted in the stats.
Interesting that you should mention Peru, remember when the country was praised early on for imposing one of the world's strictest lockdowns? Now she has a higher death rate than her neighbour Brazil whose President Jair Bolsonaro has been an object of ridicule in much of the world's media for his handling of the pandemic!
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Old 31.08.2020, 11:34
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Interesting that you should mention Peru, remember when the country was praised early on for imposing one of the world's strictest lockdowns? Now she has a higher death rate than her neighbour Brazil whose President Jair Bolsonaro has been an object of ridicule in much of the world's media for his handling of the pandemic!

My aunt is living there. She told it has been extended to September now.


The problem with Peru seems to be that people dodge the lock down on a massive scale, causing a ruined economy and no positive health effects.
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Old 31.08.2020, 11:48
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Re: Coronavirus

Not all lockdowns are equal, obviously, and will yield different results. I do not think it is so useful to compare CV measures in different countries, seems like the way people apply them is different, timing is different, etc.
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Old 31.08.2020, 12:08
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Re: Coronavirus

Back from the realm of what if?

Another change in entry restrictions to Switzerland. I think I stupidly did 10 day quarantine at home after vacation because it was not required.

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Until now, the decisive factor for air travellers from high-risk countries was the country of departure of the flight carrying a person into Switzerland. The country of departure of any previous connecting flights was immaterial. For example, a third-country national was able to fly to Switzerland from a high-risk country such as the USA via Canada still respecting the quarantine requirements because Canada is not listed in the COVID-19 Ordinance 3 as a high-risk country.
https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...-id-80228.html

Under the old regulations, I arrived from Frankfurt, not Mexico Well, this ends today.
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Old 31.08.2020, 13:57
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I know it is very discomforting to have something that you were so convinced about disproved, but do you really have to resort to insults and lies? I mean memes, seriously? I've never posted a single one!

Covid hasn't taken off ANYWHERE in the world in the way that was feared. You can compare countries that locked down, countries that didn't, areas like the slums of Mumbai where social distancing never even entered the equation to areas where people were put under house arrest. There is little to no correlation between how countries reacted and the effect that Covid has had. Don't take my word for it, go and look for yourself!

We've been averaging around 1 death a day in Switzerland from Covid for around 3 months now. We have increasing cases and a decreasing death rate, you just need to accept that it's over!
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Honestly what the grand holy F are you talking about. Seriously you're delusional. It's taken off EVERYWHERE exactly as it was feared (yes, I've looked for myself, and so has EVERYONE who has eyes and ears, wow how you insult in your own special way). You can keep denying that distancing measures were beneficial and indeed curbed the spread (yes, even in Sweden), but EVERYONE knows how full of sh*t you and your kind are. Bend the numbers all you like. You need your head checked, man. DELUSIONAL.
Shouting louder will not make your argument stronger. It makes you look like a partisan hack.

I am certainly not of the opinion that Covid is over yet, and I remain convinced that it is something I really don't want to get.

But I cannot ignore that the picture that emerged in the beginning with mortality of 3% has thankfully not materialized anywhere and that indeed many measures taken fail to show a direct correlation to case or mortality numbers.
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Old 31.08.2020, 14:18
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Shouting louder will not make your argument stronger. It makes you look like a partisan hack.

I am certainly not of the opinion that Covid is over yet, and I remain convinced that it is something I really don't want to get.

But I cannot ignore that the picture that emerged in the beginning with mortality of 3% has thankfully not materialized anywhere and that indeed many measures taken fail to show a direct correlation to case or mortality numbers.
Shouting louder? Why, because I used all caps? Well, check Tony Clifton's quote first. And I'm being partisan? Oh, I thought there was no left/right connection here.

And now I see a mod who was thanking every one of Tony's posts has deleted my comment. Nice. I see how it works.
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Shouting louder? Why, because I used all caps? Well, check Tony Clifton's quote first. And I'm being partisan? Oh, I thought there was no left/right connection here.

And now I see a mod who was thanking every one of Tony's posts has deleted my comment. Nice. I see how it works.
This is how balance works today.

One person reports facts, one person reports absolute tosh, and they apparently have to be given equal airtime.
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Old 31.08.2020, 14:34
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This is how balance works today.

One person reports facts, one person reports absolute tosh, and they apparently have to be given equal airtime.
And anyone who challenges the tosh with emphasis is censored. So true.
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Old 31.08.2020, 14:50
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Shouting louder? Why, because I used all caps? Well, check Tony Clifton's quote first. And I'm being partisan? Oh, I thought there was no left/right connection here.

And now I see a mod who was thanking every one of Tony's posts has deleted my comment. Nice. I see how it works.
Good thing then I quoted your "comment". If you read it again after a cold shower you might realize it was nothing but insulting. And your whining now only proves my point from earlier.
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Old 31.08.2020, 15:10
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Good thing then I quoted your "comment". If you read it again after a cold shower you might realize it was nothing but insulting. And your whining now only proves my point from earlier.
Shouting. Whining. With the imaginary animation you give a person's comments, it's no wonder you overreact to them, applying things like partisanship and imagining me in the shower. I'm flattered but no thanks.
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Shouting louder will not make your argument stronger. It makes you look like a partisan hack.
Is that supposed to impart justice and make some pseudo-reparations on our little forum?

I think the two of them are perfectly able to respond to one another.
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this freedom already exists: it's called stay at home.
Yes here's my unsung heroes of the Covid pandemic who for years have been vilified for being lazy,
anti-social, putting on weight, being glued to the box and never missing a televised match almost
from the day they were born.
Of course ladies and gentlemen, three cheers for the Couch Potato !! who haven't put a foot
wrong since the pandemic began and was already acclimatised to lockdowns long before they
were introduced for the crisis.

Not for them the worries about masks when going outside of catching the virus or passing it onto
others while they continue to remain safe within the confines of their settee, sofa or couch.
So as long as they can be fed and watered, they will be doing their part in reducing the risk
of infection from the pandemic for years.

Who knows Couch potatoes could be mans best friend !!

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Old 31.08.2020, 18:06
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I could argue that most serious couch potatoes in Britain are enormous and classed as "too fat to work" so they end up at the extremely generous end of the benefits system with everything done for them. As for 3 cheers, well they cost the NHS a shedload of money every year. One health authority in the N East of England refers routinely for bariatric surgery as it's cheaper in the long run. Lothian health board in Scotland refuse referrals from Fife as they have too many cases of their own to deal with.

And trust me, you really don't want to get to the couch potato size that needs bariatric surgery. I know a lady who had it done in before moving to Switzerland and her life is difficult, especially on the social front if it involves going out for dinner or being invited to someone's home for dinner. She orders, has 2 mouthfuls then has to leave the rest.
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But I cannot ignore that the picture that emerged in the beginning with mortality of 3% has thankfully not materialized anywhere and that indeed many measures taken fail to show a direct correlation to case or mortality numbers.
Mortality rate is much higher than 3% in the elderly and falls to very low numbers for the under 10s. A single figure is very misleading.
There are few numbers available for the number of survivors who had a very bad time and/or are affected long-term.
There are good correlations for some measures on case and mortality numbers.
Lockdowns lowered case numbers almost everywhere. Easy those lockdowns has lead to a resurgence of cases in a number of countries.
The Swedes and New York and the UK showed what happens when the elderly are not properly protected.
Each country has it's own set of circumstances -citing exceptions only strengthens the general trend.
This is not fear mongering, rather a sanguine look at the numbers.
Denial, wishful thinking helps no-one. Neither does fear.
What is needed is a pragmatic approach freed from politics -let us hope that prevails
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Old 31.08.2020, 18:54
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No moderator is going to jump on you for providing back-up evidence of your claims. Exactly the opposite, actually. Until I see a peer-reviewed source confirming your claims, I call BS. Especially on the statement "Vit. C too (sic) is a cure for Covid-19". What are you selling?
From what I understand listening to various scientists (mostly Radio 4) is that right now there really aren't any thoroughly peer-reviewed/double-blind studies wrt Covid. It's just too new, too unknown, the process takes too long, and because of that there's also a rush to put out studies so that governments etc. can be somewhat informed in their response.

There was a fascinating article in the New York Times about two German scientists competing to have the first study on asymptomatic spread, and how being first skewed our understanding, but there you have it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/w...mptomatic.html

Obviously there are still reputable sources and obviously fraudulent claims -- such as this Vit C cure-all. But it sounds like it will be a while before we have studies that truly fulfil scientific criteria.

None of this is to say that we should not heed scientists. Just important to recognize the limitations that exist with a novel virus.
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None of this is to say that we should not heed scientists. Just important to recognize the limitations that exist with a novel virus.
And meantime, wear a mask!
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Old 31.08.2020, 22:21
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...We've been averaging around 1 death a day in Switzerland from Covid for around 3 months now. We have increasing cases and a decreasing death rate, you just need to accept that it's over!
Increasing cases doesn't equal "It's over". You can argue the virus seems to be much less deadly now, but it's still highly contagious and far from over.
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The thoughts of a journalist who recovered (not 100%) from Covid19. Quite an insight on how dangerous it can be for a person and why we should not downplay it

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/busines...risis/45990312
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Increasing cases doesn't equal "It's over".
Other explanations are indeed available.

1. More testing and better accuracy, more positive results including people who are essentially asymptomatic.
2. Spread among younger people
3. Old people/those at risk are getting better at protecting themselves.

For example. Who knows?
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