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Old 05.09.2020, 20:38
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Old 05.09.2020, 23:39
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Fun and games, fun and games..

I was purely in the calculation mode to see what a regular but masked weekend will change, ok? And solo ain't bad either. I take breaks and read some, too.

So - today: canton Vaud, everybody masks in the shops, trains and malls. About 1/2 the people wear them in the streets. And in ZH - everybody wears them in the trains/trams and shops, almost nobody in the streets.
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Old 06.09.2020, 00:25
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Old 06.09.2020, 00:33
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There are many tutorials on making a face mask from socks..

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Old 06.09.2020, 01:12
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Fun and games, fun and games..

I was purely in the calculation mode to see what a regular but masked weekend will change, ok? And solo ain't bad either. I take breaks and read some, too.

So - today: canton Vaud, everybody masks in the shops, trains and malls. About 1/2 the people wear them in the streets. And in ZH - everybody wears them in the trains/trams and shops, almost nobody in the streets.
And here in Frick almost nobody wears them in the shops either ��

We've been constantly told how much more disciplined they are the other side of the Rösti ditch, but it's never seemed to translate into actual lower cases.

I guess one major difference is that we have cross border contact with the low risk Germans instead of the high risk French.
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Old 06.09.2020, 01:37
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Here's how the French react to the increasing Covid19 numbers

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-rate-12063287

I would assume other countries will be following soon.
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Old 06.09.2020, 01:37
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Frightening stuff in The Standard. Imagine being a professor of theoretical epidemiology at The University of Oxford and struggling to get scientific papers published this Covid pandemic is starting to have a whiff of the climate change debate about it.
Audiatur et altera pars. ("let the other side be heard as well")

Without knowing why publication was refused, Gupta might as well be the equivalent of a feminist who claims, after their startup went bankrupt, that they're suppressed by the imaginary patriarchy, completely ignoring the far more likely possibility that their product was simply crap.
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Old 06.09.2020, 05:42
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Have you not been out in the last 2-3 months to see that everything is back to normal and people just had enough? They don't care anymore. It's only the few left here on EF that are making the virus more dangerous that really is, starting from day one.
I'll take that avoidance of a direct answer as a "no" then, and continue my assumption that you don't say this stuff about coronavirus in normal conversation to people off the forums. Figures.

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Old 06.09.2020, 07:57
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Old 06.09.2020, 10:51
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Last time I checked you can have everything you can imagine delivered to your doorstep for free or at most 7 CHF delivery fee.

So yeah, anybody that goes to get a hairdo - is more afraid how she/he looks but less so afraid of this flu we have at the moment.

Can you imagine most people are more afraid not to have trimmed bangs than to catch the flu?
I don't think it's that they're not afraid of catching the virus -- or that they don't care if they catch it, as you stated. It's that they're willing to take that risk in order to be able to go to the grocery store, the post office, etc. and to keep the economy going. They realize that that risk is a reality they have to accept. But rules such as social distancing and masks help minimize that risk, in order to be able to keep the economy open so people can get back to work, etc. while trying to help minimize the risk of new infections. It's not easy for everyone to just order all of their groceries online, especially for the elderly who often aren't very computer-savvy. Do you remember what was happening last April when soo many people were ordering their groceries online? There were two to three-week waiting times for delivery, and you were lucky if you could even get into the websites to place your order in the first place.

I also think (or suspect) that many people feel the virus is not as rampant right now as it was at the height of the pandemic here, prior to lockdown. But that does appear to be changing. There were 472 new cases in CH two days ago. We haven't seen numbers that high since last April.
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Old 06.09.2020, 10:51
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Audiatur et altera pars. ("let the other side be heard as well")

Without knowing why publication was refused, Gupta might as well be the equivalent of a feminist who claims, after their startup went bankrupt, that they're suppressed by the imaginary patriarchy, completely ignoring the far more likely possibility that their product was simply crap.
This is such a terrible analogy that displays an ignorance to how science works. One doesn’t get to be a professor of epidemiology at Oxford University by being “crap”. Perhaps you should look up the work and reputation of Professor Sunetra Gupta of Oxford before being so dismissive. Refusing to publish papers by respected people in their field because it doesn’t fit the current narrative is a corruption of science, plain and simple.
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Old 06.09.2020, 11:27
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This is such a terrible analogy that displays an ignorance to how science works. One doesn’t get to be a professor of epidemiology at Oxford University by being “crap”. Perhaps you should look up the work and reputation of Professor Sunetra Gupta of Oxford before being so dismissive. Refusing to publish papers by respected people in their field because it doesn’t fit the current narrative is a corruption of science, plain and simple.
Have you published anything in scientific journals? There are an awful lot of criteria to be fulfilled before anything is published.
There is a lot more to this story than has been published in the Standard I’m sure.
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Old 06.09.2020, 11:35
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You're just as delusional if you think that because people wear masks (only in enclosed places) and use hand sanitizer, it somehow makes you less likely to catch the virus. It reduces the risk, but for how long? We will have to live with this thing for months... A great many of us will eventually be exposed to it... just look at the numbers, they're constantly rising. But fortunately, few are hospitalized.

The best way to make sure your chances of infection (and transmission) are as low as possible is to be a complete loner, live by yourself at home, do everything by yourself outside (groceries, work, gym, cinema...) and keep your distance with strangers. Nothing to do with mandatory masks in shops. You could be meeting a couple of friends in a park who are not wearing one because it's not mandatory and you'd be more vulnerable there. Same thing if you have roommates.
I find it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you, because you are simultaneously acknowledging (in your comment above) that masks and hand sanitizer can help reduce the risk of infection AND saying that they are not necessary or shouldn't be considered necessary to try to help reduce the number of new infections. So you're basically saying that yes, masks can help but screw it... Let's just all get the virus and who cares if we do since most would not require hospitalization. And who cares about those who do become extremely ill from it.

Mandatory masks help allow the economy to be kept open while also trying to help minimize the spread of infections. But you seem to be basically implying that we should do nothing and should just let the virus run its course, without any measures of protection, regardless of the consequences?

And yes, while few are hospitalized, as you said, that doesn't mean that the virus can't negatively affect people who do not require hospitalization. I've posted links here before about how young people have been having strokes from blood clots due to the virus. Not to mention the long-term lung damage that the virus can cause. Simply having low vitamin-D compromises your immune system and can make you more susceptible. One of the past members of the EF had the virus, along with his wife, and neither required hospitalization at the time, but now neither of them can breathe properly when they go for their evening walks whereas before, that was never a problem.

But you seem to think of this virus as being something that people shouldn't care if they get and shouldn't be willing to do something as simple as wearing a mask in the damn grocery store to try to help prevent its spread. Personally, if I have to wear a mask in the grocery store to help just ONE person not have to slowly suffocate to death in a hospital bed or struggle for air when they go for a walk after catching the virus, it's worth it.
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Old 06.09.2020, 11:45
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Funny, you deleted the part of my sentence that renders your response a bit vain.

It reduces the risk, but for how long?
For as long as masks continue to be worn. It's not like they work one day then not the next you know.
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Old 06.09.2020, 11:50
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For as long as masks continue to be worn. It's not like they work one day then not the next you know.
And that's exactly the problem—it's the same issue as the idiotic anti-vaxxers, relying on everybody else to protect them... until too many people decide to take that course and the numbers no longer stack up.
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Old 06.09.2020, 12:07
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Have you published anything in scientific journals? There are an awful lot of criteria to be fulfilled before anything is published.
There is a lot more to this story than has been published in the Standard I’m sure.
But, but... it fits TonyClifton’s current narrative!
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Have you published anything in scientific journals? There are an awful lot of criteria to be fulfilled before anything is published.
There is a lot more to this story than has been published in the Standard I’m sure.
I have published several (well 4). It's very journal dependent and beyond thst very reviewer dependent.

You can get stuff that's very awful through in some journals and get some very high quality stuff rejected for not being impactful enough in high impact factor journals - even if totally correct.
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Unless you then sleep with the mask all night, I don't see how it could help.
But people often want to go home
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There are many tutorials on making a face mask from socks..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yiYjb5U-Vo0
And if you do not wash the socks first it helps to maintain social distancing
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Old 06.09.2020, 14:53
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Perhaps you should also look at the peer reviewed and published papers of Professors whose opinions don't fit your narrative.
Quid pro quo.

And I do so wish you'd stop referring to newspaper articles as "frightening". It's so unnecessarily melodramatic. I haven't been firghtened for years and it most definitely wasn't brought about by a bloody newspaper article! Get a grip man!
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