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There is a study shows that while screaming, droplets drop much further than during calm conversation
So, if you wearing a mask, but yelling on someone, mask will not help much
Are you implying that people shouldn't wear masks because if someone screams they won't be as well-protected as if that person had simply had "calm conversation?"

That. Makes. No.Sense.

And in fact, I'd venture to say that it actually serves as more evidence that people should be wearing masks.

It's already been proven in labs that masks help prevent the virus from spreading when someone coughs or sneezes. But you think that a mask wouldn't help prevent the spread of those particles when someone screams?
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Old 12.09.2020, 18:39
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the graph just proves that herd immunity works
No one say that Sweden did the best in terms of protecting elders
Does nothing of the sort. Far too early to evaluate that.
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Are you implying that people shouldn't wear masks because if someone screams they won't be as well-protected as if that person had simply had "calm conversation?"

That. Makes. No.Sense.

And in fact, I'd venture to say that it actually serves as more evidence that people should be wearing masks.

It's already been proven in labs that masks help prevent the virus from spreading when someone coughs or sneezes. But you think that a mask wouldn't help prevent the spread of those particles when someone screams?
There was an article in the Daily Telegraph describing a Bit of research which made much more sense to me as a reason as to why to wear a mask compared to that commonly given.

The researchers believed that the principle benefit is not so much avoiding infection with the virus - as the mask isn't fine enough for that - but rather reducing the viral Dose - which in turn for this disease in particular tends to reduce the severity of infection.

This would explain why the disease seems to be getting less severe over time (people are getting lower viral doses as they are wearing masks more) and also why there seems to be decent evidence for the efficacy of masks despite the obvious problem of the grate size being far bigger than the size of the virus particles.
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Old 12.09.2020, 22:21
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There was an article in the Daily Telegraph describing a Bit of research which made much more sense to me as a reason as to why to wear a mask compared to that commonly given.

The researchers believed that the principle benefit is not so much avoiding infection with the virus - as the mask isn't fine enough for that - but rather reducing the viral Dose - which in turn for this disease in particular tends to reduce the severity of infection.

This would explain why the disease seems to be getting less severe over time (people are getting lower viral doses as they are wearing masks more) and also why there seems to be decent evidence for the efficacy of masks despite the obvious problem of the grate size being far bigger than the size of the virus particles.
It is not just the size of the virus particles.
When people cough or sneeze they expel droplets which are much larger than virus particles and it has been shown masks are effective against such droplets.
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Old 12.09.2020, 23:22
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Re: Coronavirus

Jacob Rees-Mogg reckons Britain would be better off bringing back Imperial measures
when it comes to working out social distancing.

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Old 13.09.2020, 00:16
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Re: Coronavirus

Sweden is one of the few normal places in the world at the moment.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/c...now-masks/amp/
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It is not just the size of the virus particles.
When people cough or sneeze they expel droplets which are much larger than virus particles and it has been shown masks are effective against such droplets.
Oh absolutely masks must reduce infection from direct coughs and sneezes very much - that's extremely clear. I was thinking about airborne Covid in my post above but didn't make that clear.

What I meant was to add a different perspective that you may be protected also from airborne Covid and droplets small enough to get through the mask, just not quite in the sane way.
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That. Makes. No.Sense.
oh sorry, forgot to add tag #sarcasm
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Old 13.09.2020, 00:43
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Does nothing of the sort. Far too early to evaluate that.
you doing evaluations on any graphs, floating around, newspapers, whispers, etc.. but not on this exact graph. why?
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what is

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It's a virion.
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Re: Coronavirus

I read a very interesting article comparing the Corona/COVID to influenza from John Hopkins... Here is the link:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...019-vs-the-flu
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Old 13.09.2020, 03:26
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Sweden is one of the few normal places in the world at the moment.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/c...now-masks/amp/
Whatever the #@$% that means.
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Old 13.09.2020, 14:48
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Re: Coronavirus

It’s now looking like the lockdowns may have been a huge mistake

https://nypost.com/2020/09/06/its-no...-huge-mistake/

It's been looking like that since day one, but hey, better late than never.
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Old 13.09.2020, 15:14
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It’s now looking like the lockdowns may have been a huge mistake

https://nypost.com/2020/09/06/its-no...-huge-mistake/

It's been looking like that since day one, but hey, better late than never.
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But that was exactly the reason for lockdowns they were to slow down the infection rate to stop hospitals being overloaded and it worked.
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Old 13.09.2020, 15:37
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and it worked.
It "worked" so well that now amidst new increase of infections nobody is even mentioning lockdown as a possibility again!
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Old 13.09.2020, 15:51
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It "worked" so well that now amidst new increase of infections nobody is even mentioning lockdown as a possibility again!
Whereas in the real world one in nine people in UK in lockdown.

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UK faces second hard national lockdown if we don't follow COVID-19 rules, Government adviser warns

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Israel Headed for Second Nationwide Coronavirus Lockdown

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Kolkata and the rest of the Bengal state observed a complete lockdown on Friday to contain the spread of the Covid-19 infection

French prime minister calls for prudence in order to avoid 'general lockdown'

Here is a useful site that will track second wave lockdowns.

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Old 13.09.2020, 16:02
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It "worked" so well that now amidst new increase of infections nobody is even mentioning lockdown as a possibility again!
Please stop spreading lies.

11/09/2020 - 20:45
'French prime minister calls for prudence in order to avoid 'general lockdown'
https://www.euronews.com/2020/09/11/...ovid-19-spread

Sunday 13 September 2020 13:25, UK
'Coronavirus: UK faces second hard national lockdown if we don't follow COVID-19 rules, adviser warns

Professor Peter Openshaw says the UK is on the edge of losing control of the virus.'

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-12070680
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Old 13.09.2020, 16:35
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Re: Coronavirus

Just back from a 2 week holiday in Ticino.
Seems to me the old people are their own worse enemy. Despite wearing masks on the boats, in the queues for the boats, no distancing (literally cheek and jowl) and very few wearing a mask until boarding. Exactly the same for gondolas.
Grouping together in the breakfast queues, not cleaning their hands when coming out of the breakfast areas (so not cleaning hands after using the tongs/bread knives/jam spoons/jugs). The middle aged were/seemed to be, taking things a bit more seriously.
Obviously my own observations and there were exceptions, but not many.

Coming down from Sonogno, past the roman bridge hot spot, there were hundreds (I had to wait for two standard size buses to fill up, and the queue was only halved) of people jammed together queuing for the bus, for the most part not wearing masks due to the heat.
It's no wonder the positive results on the up.
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Old 13.09.2020, 16:44
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Re: Coronavirus

Two items of interest from the Covid over-Information the British press swamps their readers with on a daily basis:

No ‘rule of six’, please, we’re British. We can make our own decisions

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...ions-9j8zbh5nh

And Jeremy Clarkson goes off on one:

Chris Whitty’s science says, ‘Stay indoors and hide.’ Jeremy Clarkson says, ‘What a load of tripe’

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ripe-vl330jprk
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