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...an article written by an economist not a virologist. And ironically which totally fails to address the point that Denmark, Norway and Finland all performed better than Sweden in Q2 despite having much stronger lockdowns.
According to the graph from this arcticle, Denmark did not.
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Old 14.09.2020, 11:12
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According to the graph from this arcticle, Denmark did not.
Denmark -6.9%, Sweden -8.2%. Respective national bank numbers, seasonally adjusted and corrected (which is why both numbers are a little better than kngavl's below).

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Old 14.09.2020, 11:18
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According to the graph from this arcticle, Denmark did not.
They said during Q2. The graph in the article talks about Q1 + Q2.

In Q2 Sweden's GDP dropped by 8.6%.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...her-eu-countri

In Q2 Denmark's GDP dropped by 7.4%. https://www.thelocal.dk/20200817/wha...nd-the-economy

Denmark performed better during Q2 than Sweden.
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Old 14.09.2020, 11:31
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According to the graph from this arcticle, Denmark did not.
Well apart from the fact that,as kngavl pointed out, I was talking about Q2 (Q1 was barely affected by lockdown up there), there are some interesting quotes in that article...

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I suggest to Tegnell that an alien landing in Sweden would have difficulty knowing there is a pandemic whereas in England or France, with face masks prevalent, they would realise immediately. He argues that while that might be true on the surface, especially with masks ... the differences elsewhere are exaggerated. Swedes have stopped travelling just as much as neighbours; hotels and restaurants may not have closed but have been severely affected.

He points to the markings in supermarkets showing people where to stand and detailed restrictions on restaurants in terms of how many people they can have and how they serve them.
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Old 14.09.2020, 11:45
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Ironically, you didn't even bother to read the....
Sorry but if I want to learn about an epidemic I'll read virologists or epidemiologists thank you very much.

Where an economist writes on the subject I'll pay attention to whatever he might say about the economics of it.
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"When the first series produced ÖV4 was about to drive out of the factory and engineer Eric Carlberg put it into first gear, the car went backwards........"


Sound familiar to the Swedish corona response?
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They said during Q2. The graph in the article talks about Q1 + Q2.

In Q2 Sweden's GDP dropped by 8.6%.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...her-eu-countri

In Q2 Denmark's GDP dropped by 7.4%. https://www.thelocal.dk/20200817/wha...nd-the-economy

Denmark performed better during Q2 than Sweden.
Sweden's gain will be if it avoids a second wave and the rest of Europe doesn't.

I think that's plausible but very far from certain. Let's see.
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Rule 1:
The Swedes get everything wrong, just look at Volvo - been designing cars badly since 1927

"When the first series produced ÖV4 was about to drive out of the factory and engineer Eric Carlberg put it into first gear, the car went backwards........"


Sound familiar to the Swedish corona response?
Thats a little harsh
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Israel becomes the first country to impose a second lockdown. Won't be the last imo.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ional-lockdown
Suffice to say I've only just finished spring cleaning my fallout shelter from the last lockdown, only to find we could be
confronted by the 2nd wave !!

Shouldn't be long before we see toilet rolls disappearing from Supermarket shelves again at this rate.
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Old 14.09.2020, 15:06
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Rule 1:
The Swedes get everything wrong, just look at Volvo - been designing cars badly since 1927

"When the first series produced ÖV4 was about to drive out of the factory and engineer Eric Carlberg put it into first gear, the car went backwards........"
At least the made a very nice museum for the Wasa. (Ship that sunk just a few meters outside of the harbor. )
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Old 14.09.2020, 17:25
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Again from the FT


"Only a fool would draw strong conclusions from sketchy data. The biggest fools this year were those who prematurely declared the spike in Swedish infections from April until June as evidence that the Swedish decision not to lock down their economy was wrong..."

"I consider the lockdown reflex as currently the biggest threat to western capitalist democracies..."

"It was wrong two months ago to condemn the Swedish strategy based on that data, and it would be equally wrong to draw the opposite conclusion now."

If I had posted this, I would have been banned


https://www.ft.com/content/9a1e118f-...1-58b8bd35c0e1
btw, finns allows swedes to enter w/o quarantine now
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At least the made a very nice museum for the Wasa. (Ship that sunk just a few meters outside of the harbor. )
at least they admits their f&^%kups and made museums about them.
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Old 14.09.2020, 17:54
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at least they admits their f&^%kups and made museums about them.
Yeah absolutely.
If I remember it was just 1 m in submerged hull diameter that was missing (or too many cannons).
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Old 14.09.2020, 18:40
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Re: Coronavirus

Interesting graphs to look at.

France:



Spain:



Sweden:


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Interesting graphs to look at.

France:



Spain:



Sweden:

Sweden could just have had a prolonged first wave and a second wave to come. We are still a long way from a vaccine. But yes, if Sweden doesn't see a second wave you would think their economy would fare better and their deaths would be less bad than they are now in relative terms. It's a marathon not a sprint. Tbh it's impossible to know even at present what strategy is better. If Sweden does have a second wave it's been disastrous.
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Interesting graphs to look at.

France:



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Sweden:
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Source? I find different numbers on worldometer?
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Source? I find different numbers on worldometer?
Hes accidentally used Swedens graph twice instead of Spain's. Spain's is much the same story as Frances just a bit worse.
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Old 14.09.2020, 19:25
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lol... Is your heritage Norwegian, KiwiSteve?!? Mine is and that is the sort of joke we like to make about our neighbors.

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Rule 1:
The Swedes get everything wrong, just look at Volvo - been designing cars badly since 1927

"When the first series produced ÖV4 was about to drive out of the factory and engineer Eric Carlberg put it into first gear, the car went backwards........"


Sound familiar to the Swedish corona response?
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Old 14.09.2020, 19:29
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Hes accidentally used Swedens graph twice instead of Spain's. Spain's is much the same story as Frances just a bit worse.
I was finding it very odd that Sweden and a Spain had identical graphs given that Spain is on lots of quarantine lists at the moment.
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Hes accidentally used Swedens graph twice instead of Spain's. Spain's is much the same story as Frances just a bit worse.
He has or you have?

You'e two people ?

Edit .... Oh. The quote .. My bad
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