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Old 19.09.2020, 00:49
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The only place where there is 100% compliance with masks, hand sanitizing, and strict distancing is the vet clinic. During the lockdown-that-wasn't-really-a-lockdown the clinic remained open but owners were not allowed to attend procedures, so we know what is at stake if we have to go back to that.
On day 1 of lockdown, I walked past our local vets' new surgery just as a 6ft tall standpipe was being fitted immediately outside on their parking area. Turned out it was for hosing down the exterior of the clinic and parking area, and it's since been removed. He also put cafe style tables and chairs outside as a waiting area.

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The most detrimental thing at our vineyard is the lack of sales to restaurants. They are the ones suffering, as well as hotels, and that translates directly to wine sales. So, yes, not a good year for us vignerons.
Every week throughout lockdown, our local vineyard phoned to ask if we wanted a crate delivered. OH always got to the phone before me and declined their exceptionally kind offer, and got a bollocking from me each time. As a result, I'm one of the few whose alcohol consumption decreased during lockdown and it's all his fault!!! Git!!!
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Old 19.09.2020, 11:14
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Saw a socially distanced outside birthday party at one of the bars a couple of nights ago, where most of the guests were over 50, so I'd say it all feels like midwinter has come a little early with a few exceptions.
Seems pretty reasonable. After all ...




... "winter is coming".
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Old 19.09.2020, 11:29
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Here is another very good article on T3 Cell Immunity via NYMagazine:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020....html#comments
and I posted earlier article about T-cells immunity from Swedish doctors
the point is that human immunity system slightly more complicated, then it presented in articles #covidimmunitydoesnotlastslong
this, btw, may answer questions why in couple living in same apartments, one has covid, second dont even sneezed
afaik, detection t-cell immunity is not easy process, that's why its not studied that much for now
here some more info about t-cells immunity, how long it lasts etc:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-53764640
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Old 19.09.2020, 15:19
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Deja vu - Did the World Economic Forums - Global pandemic simulation Event 201 exercise
predict the Global Covid19 Pandemic and all the problems weve faced back in November 2019 ?

World Economic Forum - Event 201 Global pandemic simulation
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Old 19.09.2020, 22:32
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Social distancing on the Rhine today
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Old 20.09.2020, 02:20
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Deja vu - Did the World Economic Forums - Global pandemic simulation Event 201 exercise
predict the Global Covid19 Pandemic and all the problems weve faced back in October 2019 ?

World Economic Forum - Event 201 Global pandemic simulation
More on the high-level pandemic exercise Event 201 back on the 18th October, 2019, that took place in New York
including more videos and research material.

The Radio 5 Live “Up All Night” interview link in the Event 201 resource website below is particularly interesting.

Centre for Health Security - Event 201 Pandemic simulation exercise
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Old 20.09.2020, 11:42
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Deja vu - Did the World Economic Forums - Global pandemic simulation Event 201 exercise
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World Economic Forum - Event 201 Global pandemic simulation
and after 2 months they decided, that simulation is not enough
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Madrid experiencing quite a second wave- is Gareth Bale isolating for 14 days- or doing a Cummings?
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Old 20.09.2020, 11:51
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Madrid experiencing quite a second wave- is Gareth Bale isolating for 14 days- or doing a Cummings?

Aren't football players exempt from quarantaine in the UK?
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Old 20.09.2020, 12:04
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Madrid experiencing quite a second wave- is Gareth Bale isolating for 14 days- or doing a Cummings?
Plenty of exemptions if you look at the government website.
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Aren't football players exempt from quarantaine in the UK?

I thought that was for players that come to play- not back to live and play.
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Old 20.09.2020, 21:59
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One of Denmark's most prominent epidemiology researchers has said that the coronavirus pandemic in Sweden "may be finished" due to immunity in the population, even through the country remains far from the classic 60 percent threshold.

"There are indications that the Swedes have gained an element of immunity to the disease, which, together with everything else they are doing to prevent the infection from spreading, is enough to keep the disease down," Kim Sneppen, professor of biocomplexity at the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, told the Politiken newspaper.
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Old 20.09.2020, 22:08
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Well done Sweden!
That looks horribly like a recorded statement just waiting to bite Prof Sneppen in the butt.
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Old 20.09.2020, 22:43
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Well done Sweden!
Oh, good. So those 5,865 people didn't die for nothing, not to mention those 2,588 people who required intensive care.

Yay!
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Old 20.09.2020, 23:47
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Coronavirus Sweden: 200 doctors, scientists challenge Sweden’s official version of events
Doctors in Sweden are furious about a report they say exposes “cherry-picked” data and pushes “lies” about the country’s COVID-19 success.
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For example, there is no good data about schools because Sweden’s leading epidemiologist Anders Tegnell paused the collection of data from children because he thought it would create anxiety among the public.
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Old 21.09.2020, 08:22
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...and grouse shooters, of course.
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Old 21.09.2020, 08:41
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Does the Swedish government also hand out free cotton wool to wrap their precious public in?
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Old 21.09.2020, 09:30
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Oh, good. So those 5,865 people didn't die for nothing, not to mention those 2,588 people who required intensive care.

Yay!
Sweden are claiming that one of the reason that their death rate was higher is that they were simply hit harder and earlier at the beginning of the pandemic than their Nordic neighbours. More people arriving with the virus, higher instances to begin with etc. The infection rate had already peaked and was on the way down before most European countries went into lockdown so their could be something behind this claim.

I fear that isn't even the end of it. The likes of NZ and Australia don't seemed to have grasped that simply shutting off the country is no solution and is just holding off the inevitable. The virus will get through their populations at some point. Shutting down the country is just doing damage to the economy whilst prolonging the inevitable.
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I fear that isn't even the end of it. The likes of NZ and Australia don't seemed to have grasped that simply shutting off the country is no solution and is just holding off the inevitable. The virus will get through their populations at some point. Shutting down the country is just doing damage to the economy whilst prolonging the inevitable.
I think the governments in NZ and Aussie are fully aware of the risk/benefit equation in their strategies. A lot is riding on an effective vaccine or treatment being developed.

Neither country is "shut down". Obviously the Aussies have more problems implementing a "keep it out of the country" policy and their internal politics do not help.
The future is simply uncertain, we have to live with that
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Old 21.09.2020, 10:52
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For example, there is no good data about schools because Sweden’s leading epidemiologist Anders Tegnell paused the collection of data from children because he thought it would create anxiety among the public.
uh oh. Hysterical Australian approach vs. relaxed Sweden approach...who gonna win?
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