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Old 21.09.2020, 11:23
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Sweden are claiming that one of the reason that their death rate was higher is that they were simply hit harder and earlier at the beginning of the pandemic than their Nordic neighbours. More people arriving with the virus, higher instances to begin with etc. The infection rate had already peaked and was on the way down before most European countries went into lockdown so their could be something behind this claim.

I fear that isn't even the end of it. The likes of NZ and Australia don't seemed to have grasped that simply shutting off the country is no solution and is just holding off the inevitable. The virus will get through their populations at some point. Shutting down the country is just doing damage to the economy whilst prolonging the inevitable.
And you do not seem to have grasped that the objective of lockdowns is to avoid overloading hospitals which have worked well.
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Old 21.09.2020, 11:27
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uh oh. Hysterical Australian approach vs. relaxed Sweden approach...who gonna win?
It’s not really a competition though is it? There are no winners.


From where I’m standing there are really only losses.
Lost lives, lost jobs, lost revenue , lost business, lost health.etc....whichever country you look at there are losses.
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It’s not really a competition though is it?
reading media I'm not so sure
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And you do not seem to have grasped that the objective of lockdowns is to avoid overloading hospitals which have worked well.
Sweden built huge mobile hospital near Stockholm at the beginning of pandemic just for Covid patients
It was empty all of the time. Now it dismounted due to lack of patients
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Old 21.09.2020, 12:24
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Sweden built huge mobile hospital near Stockholm at the beginning of pandemic just for Covid patients
It was empty all of the time. Now it dismounted due to lack of patients
As were the half dozen or so Nightingale hospitals opened in the UK.

Slowly but surely people are coming around to see how senseless and damaging another lockdown would be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54228649
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Old 21.09.2020, 12:34
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More scientists coming out now to air their concern at the way the pandemic is being handled! BRAVO!!!!

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/...72101463212032
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Old 21.09.2020, 13:28
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As were the half dozen or so Nightingale hospitals opened in the UK.

Slowly but surely people are coming around to see how senseless and damaging another lockdown would be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54228649
Simply demonstrated the lockdowns were extremely effective at limiting hospital admissions, mission accomplished.
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Old 21.09.2020, 13:42
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Simply demonstrated the lockdowns were extremely effective at limiting hospital admissions, mission accomplished.
You'd think some people in here are disappointed that more people aren't dead
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Old 21.09.2020, 13:45
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More scientists coming out now to air their concern at the way the pandemic is being handled! BRAVO!!!!

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/...72101463212032
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Simply demonstrated the lockdowns were extremely effective at limiting hospital admissions, mission accomplished.
I try to keep an open mind on all things covid given the uncertainty. But I think one thing is clear - the lockdown was broadly important in stopping the deaths go crazy high. Yes, individual laws may have been wrong, but the thrust was right.

That'll be crucial to marks awarded after the crisis is over if a vaccine is imminent. Even if it isn't and the only way out is herd immunity - overflowing hospitals would have cost more lives to reach herd immunity then if herd immunity was reached slowly. Its a fact of life that infectious diseases will kill people. What isn't is that you die of a disease without adequate treatment.
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Old 21.09.2020, 14:34
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As were the half dozen or so Nightingale hospitals opened in the UK.

Slowly but surely people are coming around to see how senseless and damaging another lockdown would be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54228649
There were no masks available for the public at the beginning of the pandemic and hospitals were facing a shortage of them as well as ventilators. You were lucky if you could find any masks even online back then. Just think back to the way the numbers were rising at the beginning, and what we were seeing happen in Italy at the time, with hospitals becoming so overcrowded, etc.. Any responsible and humane government wouldn't just allow the numbers to continue to rise so quickly and so dramatically without doing something to help save people's lives and to try to gain some degree of control over the spread of the virus. I think many governments felt they really had no choice and perceived a shutdown as being the lesser of two evils. They were faced with the decision of either keeping the economy open and allowing many, many more deaths and hospitalizations to occur or to go into temporary shutdown in order to try to help limit its spread. I think it's rather obvious to anyone with some degree of empathy which was the more logical and humane solution to that conundrum.
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Old 21.09.2020, 14:36
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More scientists coming out now to air their concern at the way the pandemic is being handled! BRAVO!!!!

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/...72101463212032
A mostly unreadable letter!
Proposing that care homes should have priority without any advice on "how" is rather pathetic.
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Old 21.09.2020, 14:47
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A mostly unreadable letter!
Proposing that care homes should have priority without any advice on "how" is rather pathetic.
Yeah, and the authors of that letter fail to take into consideration the fact that those who are the "most vulnerable" are not always so easily detected. Someone simply having low vitamin D renders them much more vulnerable. It's not only the elderly. Not to mention the problem when someone who is not at risk goes to their job as normal, contracts the virus and then brings it home to their family members or neighbors, etc. who may be more vulnerable. They took a very tunnel-vision approach in writing that letter and didn't consider all the variables.
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Old 21.09.2020, 14:56
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Yeah, and the authors of that letter fail to take into consideration the fact that those who are the "most vulnerable" are not always so easily detected. Someone simply having low vitamin D renders them much more vulnerable. It's not only the elderly. Not to mention the problem when someone who is not at risk goes to their job as normal, contracts the virus and then brings it home to their family members or neighbors, etc. who may be more vulnerable. They took a very tunnel-vision approach in writing that letter and didn't consider all the variables.
I'll tell you what is tunnel vision, concentrating on a virus with a fatality rate approaching flu like levels whilst ignoring things like cancer, the economy, people's liberties, and LIVING!
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I'm all confused. I thought our highly non-scientific COVID-mininizing experts here on EF said that new infections had basically dried up and it was all over?

UK faces 50,000 cases a day by October without action

"Sir Patrick Vallance said that "would be expected to lead to about 200 deaths per day" a month after that."
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Old 21.09.2020, 15:14
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UK faces 50,000 cases a day by October without action
That prediction is an utter joke! As will be the imminent UK response!
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Old 21.09.2020, 15:20
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More scientists coming out now to air their concern at the way the pandemic is being handled! BRAVO!!!!

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/...72101463212032
I used to follow him because he's an esteemed oncologist, however, I unfollowed him in March when his posts were in direct opposition to the advice in Switzerland. Even when the pandemic is over, I won't be following him again. His credibility is tarnished for me.

As for your scurrilous and oft repeated claim that cancer care is being ignored, I'll repeat myself yet again... This is not the case. I currently have a number of people close to me who are being treated for cancer whose treatment hasn't been disrupted at all, including one very recent (within the last 6 weeks) case where a full diagnosis has yet to be reached, but that most definitely isn't through lack of testing or any delays in testing.

Once again, you're spreading very damaging lies which can only lead me to believe that QAnon has lost one of it's fools.
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I'll tell you what is tunnel vision, concentrating on a virus with a fatality rate approaching flu like levels whilst ignoring things like cancer, the economy, people's liberties, and LIVING!
"people's liberties" well if people choose to die then the state has a duty to protect them from themselves, although suicide is no longer a crime in most places.

This is why there are laws about seat belts, crash helmets, alcoholism and drugs, &&&&&
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Old 21.09.2020, 15:32
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I used to follow him because he's an esteemed oncologist, however, I unfollowed him in March when his posts were in direct opposition to the advice in Switzerland. Even when the pandemic is over, I won't be following him again. His credibility is tarnished for me.

As for your scurrilous and oft repeated claim that cancer care is being ignored, I'll repeat myself yet again... This is not the case. I currently have a number of people close to me who are being treated for cancer whose treatment hasn't been disrupted at all, including one very recent (within the last 6 weeks) case where a full diagnosis has yet to be reached, but that most definitely isn't through lack of testing or any delays in testing.

Once again, you're spreading very damaging lies which can only lead me to believe that QAnon has lost one of it's fools.
"Damaging Lies"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-53935643
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-53809055
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...d-due-to-covid
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...ancer-covid19/
https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/ne...-pandemic.html

Now how about an apology? Or have you got some more "people close to you" who will come forward and disprove the news
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Some people always have dozens of friends or relatives that are about to die of Covid or whatever we are discussing, same people time & time again.
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