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England just announced 6 months more of sever measures. Expecting the devolved governments to follow soon. The UK economy won't take 6 months more of this madness

Could be time to sell up there and cut ties for good!
Some temporary public policy is a reason to cut ties? No love for the heimatort? It's curious to see a patriot that cares about his land, telling this shit and leaving without a fight as if never cared in first place.

I guess this is the end of comments on UK's policy on covid19.
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Old 22.09.2020, 20:18
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You've got a short memory, it was only a few weeks ago when you lost your head and started accusing every lockdown sceptic of being a "libertarian" some of the responses you got back then must have stung.

What a burn that's all that matter's here isn't it, getting the "win", appearing to be right in this little expat bubble whilst being "wrong" the majority of the time in the real world.
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Old 22.09.2020, 20:27
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Sit on the sidelines and throw mud, at least you're honest. Good to know I've gotten under your skin though without even trying :*
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Old 22.09.2020, 21:15
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The "Stay at home" nonsense won't fly anymore in Portugal, they are following the Swedish way.

https://www.publico.pt/2020/09/18/po...suecia-1932079
Of course they have, it's the only way! It can't have escaped that attention of those that criticise the Swedish way that Switzerland has largely adopted the same approach.
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Old 22.09.2020, 21:35
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Some temporary public policy is a reason to cut ties? No love for the heimatort? It's curious to see a patriot that cares about his land, telling this shit and leaving without a fight as if never cared in first place.

I guess this is the end of comments on UK's policy on covid19.
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That's a bit of an extreme reaction. You've gone from praying for family and friends to cutting ties based purely upon a government announcement? I dread to think how you'd cope with a real emergency.

I'm not 'praying' for friends and family in the UK over covid. They're pretty switched on folk and know how to look after themselves. Weird side effect is that having a well stocked pantry has come back into fashion amongst many of them, and we're drying seeds ready to plant next year. It's a huge switch from the gigs and parties lifestyle we used to live, but we're getting competitive over home grown tomatoes and home baked sourdough bread instead I am concerned that the travel industry I come from has been decimated. Almost every day I hear of another friend or team which has been laid off, totalling over 60 so far since April but it seems to be accelerating with the end of furlough on the horizon. It will come back, but it took years to recover from 9/11 and was never the same as before. We shall see...
By cutting ties I mean financially. I have property in the UK and normally spend 2-3 months of the year there and I consider myself a patriot however I'm so utterly dejected from today's announcement that I'm seriously considering taking what I have there and leaving the rest behind.

Simply put, a service economy like what the UK has will not survive 6 months of the measures that were announced today. City centers are going to die, the travel industry, pubs, restaurants, sandwich shops, airlines, dry-cleaners, football clubs, rugby clubs, theatres, opera houses, so many of these businesses are just not going to be viable. London's place as an economic power house is seriously under threat. Many of these jobs simply aren't coming back, and this is going to cause a fundamental change to the economy. It's almost laughable now to think that not so long ago people were at each other's throats over the projected 0.5% GDP Brexit was going to cause!

It's not just the economic disaster that's about to hit, it's the total failure of leadership, good governance and opposition. Boris Johnson together with the first ministers of the devolved parliaments has simply announced this and all the opposition parties have simply just gone along with it! No scrutiny, no one saying, "maybe you should look at Sweden, or Germany, or Switzerland". Then when it really becomes clear just how bad the situation is around February next year, they'll all be blaming each other (and the public). Utterly depressing

p.s. Blueangel, further to what you said yesterday about cancer treatment during the pandemic, if you have tears, be prepared to shed them

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I find it fascinating that no one consults economists nor psychologists during this COVID "crisis". It is only epidemiologists/virologists and my sense is that they don't really "get" how the lockdown can wreak havoc psychologically nor economically. To reiterate, the economic and psychological effects of COVID, have negative/ potentially devastating consequences on the population at large.

If one goes on the BAG website, you will see a daily chart of the number of infections, daily tests, hospitalizations and fatalities (both hospitalizations and fatalities are extremely flat!). What I find fascinating is that there is an asterisk/ disclaimer under this chart ...Wow! They changed their disclaimer from two days ago. Basically, 2 days ago, it read that while Corona is highly infectious most will exhibit mild or no symptoms. Now it reads the following:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...rnational.html

So, let me get this straight... if "most" exhibit mild or no symptoms, why the measures exactly? And the UK?? As bad as the US finds itself, (and it is bad indeed) it is a S**t show (for lack of better terms!) in the UK. 6 months lockdown??? Economically...the UK is screwed. Unbelievable on all levels! I almost wonder if the UK government are using COVID as an excuse for a failed Brexit....

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I find it fascinating that no one consults economists nor psychologists during this COVID "crisis". It is only epidemiologists/virologist and my sense is that they don't really "get" how the lockdown can wreak havoc psychologically nor economically.

If one goes on the BAG website, you will see a daily chart of the number of infections, daily tests, hospitalizations and fatalities (both hospitalizations and fatalities are extremely flat!). What I find funny/fascinating is that there is an asterisk/ disclaimer under this chart ...Wow! They changed their disclaimer from two days ago. Basically, 2 days ago, it read that while Corona is highly infectious most will exhibit mild or no symptoms. Now it reads the following:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...rnational.html



So, let me get this straight... if "most" exhibit mild or no symptoms, why the measures exactly? And the UK?? As bad as the US finds itself, (and it is bad indeed) it is a S**t show (for lack of better terms!) in the UK. 6 months lockdown??? Economically...the UK is screwed. Unbelievable on all levels! I almost wonder if the UK government are using COVID as an excuse for a failed Brexit....
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Old 22.09.2020, 22:46
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Re: Coronavirus

From what I just read online, the UK isn't going into another lockdown. It's just that some new restrictions have been announced such as pubs must close at 10 pm, no indoor sports teams and no weddings with more than 15 guests (previously, it was no more than 30 guests) and mandatory masks for retail and hospitality staff.

Trust me, I'm no fan of Boris Johnson, but this is what he said:

“This is by no means a return to the full lockdown in March, we are not issuing instructions to stay at home,” Johnson said, stressing that schools and businesses should remain open.:

So why do some people seem to be reacting as though another lockdown is being put in place? Sorry, am I missing something???
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Businesses will remain "open" but BoJo also encouraged firms to employ work from home measures.

How does this affect commercial real estate? (Not good!).

Here is an article from the FT on potential economic repercussions:

https://www.ft.com/content/a714ac9d-...d-ecc00acf1cf6
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England just announced 6 months more of sever measures. Expecting the devolved governments to follow soon. The UK economy won't take 6 months more of this madness

Could be time to sell up there and cut ties for good!

Not that severe. Could be 6 months. Is all being monitored and is subject to change at any point of necessary. Fair enough. It's a bit shit but not as bad as it could be.


You're such a drama llama over this.
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From what I just read online, the UK isn't going into another lockdown. It's just that some new restrictions have been announced such as pubs must close at 10 pm, no indoor sports teams and no weddings with more than 15 guests (previously, it was no more than 30 guests) and mandatory masks for retail and hospitality staff.

Trust me, I'm no fan of Boris Johnson, but this is what he said:

“This is by no means a return to the full lockdown in March, we are not issuing instructions to stay at home,” Johnson said, stressing that schools and businesses should remain open.:

So why do some people seem to be reacting as though another lockdown is being put in place? Sorry, am I missing something???

You've not missed anything. It is as you say. Not another lockdown but the rule of 6 thing. Distance as much as is practicable but live your life. And spend money, obvs (is what he didn't say but clearly wanted to).
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Old 22.09.2020, 23:55
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I am starting to forget how life was pre-Corona!
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Old 23.09.2020, 01:00
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Of course they have, it's the only way! It can't have escaped that attention of those that criticise the Swedish way that Switzerland has largely adopted the same approach.
Swedish authorities are weighing whether to tighten restrictions in the capital Stockholm after a localized uptick of coronavirus cases over the past few weeks.

“Stockholm has seen a clear increase recently, across all age groups,” chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said on a press conference. “We are discussing with Stockholm whether we need some additional possibility to take measures to reduce transmission.”

The Stockholm region has been the country’s worst-hit area with 2,400 deaths.
Switzerland's largest urban conglomerate is Zürich that saw 140 deaths so far.
Switzerland's canton Bern including the Swiss capital saw under 100 deaths.
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Old 23.09.2020, 01:46
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Businesses will remain "open" but BoJo also encouraged firms to employ work from home measures.

How does this affect commercial real estate? (Not good!).
Because my tenants in the UK have moved to Belgium to escape brexit, I've been talking a lot with my agents this past month. The majority of their business, about 75%, is commercial real estate in the NW of England. I was concerned that our house would be empty for a while but, within 2hrs of the ad going live, they had 9 viewings booked, and it's been snapped up by someone who viewed on the first day.

My agents say they've never been as busy with both residential and commercial lettings and sales, which I really didn't expect. Whilst many city centre offices are being mothballed, smaller satellite offices are being snapped in commuter belt areas, and they can't keep up with the demand for warehousing and residential lets. They're not even advertising a lot of the commercial property that comes to in because they've got a waiting list to go to first.

I'm not posting this to be a naysayer. I was genuinely surprised myself.
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Never been tested so far and as far as I know I haven't gotten it yet, or if I did I never noticed it

I worked during all of lock down, every day, flew to England in May when hotels were closed, I am at least twice a week in France, visited all of the Adriatic from Slovenia to Montenegro in the summer. I never put a mask on, I wash my hands and avoid crowds by any means, stopped using public transport.

I only know of 4 people who caught back in March, nobody else.
I have a feeling V___ could like one of those anti-vaxxers who says how pointless vaccines are because he never got sick, then suddenly contracts something nasty that he didn't vax against, gets really sick and recovers, then is all of a sudden is a fan of vaccines.
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Old 23.09.2020, 09:13
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From what I just read online, the UK isn't going into another lockdown. It's just that some new restrictions have been announced such as pubs must close at 10 pm, no indoor sports teams and no weddings with more than 15 guests (previously, it was no more than 30 guests) and mandatory masks for retail and hospitality staff.

Trust me, I'm no fan of Boris Johnson, but this is what he said:

“This is by no means a return to the full lockdown in March, we are not issuing instructions to stay at home,” Johnson said, stressing that schools and businesses should remain open.:

So why do some people seem to be reacting as though another lockdown is being put in place? Sorry, am I missing something???
Yes, it's not quite a lockdown in terms of personal liberties, however for the economy it may as well be full lockdown. One has to remember that, rightly or wrongly, the UK is a heavily consumption based service economy. The measures announced yesterday will be catastrophic for that!

Official recommendation to work from home (likely to remain in place for 6 months) --> all businesses that support office workers like caterers, cleaners, dry-cleaners etc. not to mention city centers, they're finished. No office Christmas parties which generate a huge amount of revenue.

Rule of 6 + table service only --> Pubs, bars and restaurants all going to service, many won't have a viable business with table service only. Far fewer people will go out when they can only meet in groups of 6 from two households.

Travel --> No business travel will mean a reduction in the number of airlines, less people booking holidays will mean the death of the travel industry.

No mass gatherings --> No spectators at sports stadia (professional sports clubs will go bust), no one going to the theater, cinema closures? Who knows.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg of what I can think off the top of my head. From the announcement yesterday we can expect it to last 6 MONTHS! How many livelihoods depend on these industries? Some businesses will return at some point but many simply will not.

This will lead to less tax revenue which will ultimately lead to tax rises and cuts to public services. It's so clear already where this ends up and it's not a good place. An utter disaster, the country is sleepwalking to economic catastrophe through measures that have absolutely no basis in science nor logic!
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So yesterday Mr. Alain Berset announced that our health insurances will be more expensive*. Opinions?

*shocking! Not.
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So yesterday Mr. Alain Berset announced that our health insurances will be more expensive*. Opinions?

*shocking! Not.
Interestingly in our canton it’s actually going to decrease, not by much admittedly but it’s better than nothing.
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Yes, it's not quite a lockdown in terms of personal liberties, however for the economy it may as well be full lockdown. One has to remember that, rightly or wrongly, the UK is a heavily consumption based service economy. The measures announced yesterday will be catastrophic for that!
No. It's not a full lockdown. Stop saying it is.

Show me a western country where there isn't heavy consumerism. Don't underestimate the ingenuity of businesses. There's been a wholesale shift in how to deliver but deliver they do. Quite literally in a lot of cases.

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I have a feeling V___ could like one of those anti-vaxxers who says how pointless vaccines are because he never got sick, then suddenly contracts something nasty that he didn't vax against, gets really sick and recovers, then is all of a sudden is a fan of vaccines.
Yeah, like the guy who went to a "COVID party" a few months ago, in the US, believing that the virus was a hoax and then contracted the virus at the party and ended up dying from it.

I made a mistake: 30-year-old dies after attending COVID party
https://www.wionews.com/world/i-made...d-party-312877

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