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Old 23.09.2020, 16:50
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Are mortgages included as 'household debt', I have a feeling they are not.
Equity to debt ratios including mortgages would also be interesting.
The OECD definition of Household debt which most people use includes mortgages.
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Old 23.09.2020, 16:52
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The OECD definition of Household debt which most people use includes mortgages.
The Swiss not paying off their mortgages would account for Switzerland winning this
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Maybe he is an economist and understands how the Swiss mortgage system works.
Seems unlikely. I don't know too many British epidemiologists who are also qualified economists specializing in the Swiss debt market.
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The Swiss not paying off their mortgages would account for Switzerland winning this
I should think so, yes. But debt is debt, whether long-term or short-term, secured or unsecured, interest-only or principal plus interest, it's all the same from the perspective of the borrower: payments must be made on a regular basis.
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Even in far away Australia, it's clear that the Swedish approach may well have been very ill advised. The new case rate is climbing again in Stockholm and fresh questions are being asked of the wisdom of the country's lax response to COVID-19.

The video in this article is interesting. How many of you have thought about the strain on the intensive care facilities in Sweden? Watch as one of the physicians in a Stockholm respiratory specialist unit explains that life-saving treatment is not available to all who require it, due to the large number of infections, and doctors have to play God, deciding whom to treat and whom to remove from treatment.
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Old 23.09.2020, 19:10
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Watch as one of the physicians in a Stockholm respiratory specialist unit explains that life-saving treatment is not available to all who require it, due to the large number of infections, and doctors have to play God, deciding whom to treat and whom to remove from treatment.
Reminds me of of the doctor in BBC's 'Italy's Frontline: A Doctor's Diary'. That decision making on such a scale is devastating to doctors. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000kjtd
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Old 23.09.2020, 19:12
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Even in far away Australia, it's clear that the Swedish approach may well have been very ill advised. The new case rate is climbing again in Stockholm and fresh questions are being asked of the wisdom of the country's lax response to COVID-19.

The video in this article is interesting. How many of you have thought about the strain on the intensive care facilities in Sweden? Watch as one of the physicians in a Stockholm respiratory specialist unit explains that life-saving treatment is not available to all who require it, due to the large number of infections, and doctors have to play God, deciding whom to treat and whom to remove from treatment.
I recently posted a letter from 200 scientists and doctors complaining that the information published by the Govt. is less than transparent and is incomplete.

Consequently it is difficult to know what exactly is happening there.
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Old 23.09.2020, 19:33
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Interestingly in our canton it’s actually going to decrease, not by much admittedly but it’s better than nothing.
Me too, about 7% down - a pleasant surprise.
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I'm guessing you've heard about the outdoor wedding in Maine which has resulted in 176 covid cases and 7 deaths?
??? That's what written in the article by the link you gave:
Maine had its first social gathering-related coronavirus outbreak, which led to seven deaths and at least 165 positive COVID-19 cases, after 65 people met at an indoor wedding venue on August 7.
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Even in far away Australia, it's clear that the Swedish approach may well have been very ill advised. The new case rate is climbing again in Stockholm and fresh questions are being asked of the wisdom of the country's lax response to COVID-19.

The video in this article is interesting. How many of you have thought about the strain on the intensive care facilities in Sweden? Watch as one of the physicians in a Stockholm respiratory specialist unit explains that life-saving treatment is not available to all who require it, due to the large number of infections, and doctors have to play God, deciding whom to treat and whom to remove from treatment.
Whilst I agree with your conclusion, the increase in Sweden in the last week or two has been very slight - it wobbled up a bit a couple of months ago before declining again. Hard to say whether its part of a sustained trend or not yet.
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Old 23.09.2020, 20:18
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Racking up now!

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You're seriously trying to say that commerce/consumerism doesn't drive these countries? Don't be so silly.
Straw man number 1

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Wow! You couldn't be more wrong with regards to Switzerland.

Please tell me you're not paid to be an economist?

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Cricket is a fringe sport now?
And number 3

How about trying to address the points I've made rather than trying to point score over things that I haven't said?

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Re: Coronavirus

If you squint at the CH data it is starting to look promising. Could just be a blip but worth following. 7 day averages:

Aug 17 - 221
Aug 24 - 258 (+16.7%)
Sep 1 - 305 (+18.2%)
Sep 8 - 349 (+14.4%)
Sep 15 - 416 (+19.2%)
Sep 22 - 417 (flat)

Today - 437 cases. This day last week, 514.

More cantons seem to be a downward trend than up - exception being Bern.

The country trend seems to be have been driven primarily by Vaud which has suddenly and quite sharply been going the right way for about a week. To a lesser extent Zurich - which is also improving. Geneva looks flat. FR rapidly improving too...

I expect the Sep 29 rolling 7 day average will be below 400.

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Old 23.09.2020, 21:05
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Canton Vaud again... https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/vaud...-lausanne.html
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Old 23.09.2020, 21:21
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If you squint at the CH data it is starting to look promising. Could just be a blip but worth following. 7 day averages:

Aug 17 - 221
Aug 24 - 258 (+16.7%)
Sep 1 - 305 (+18.2%)
Sep 8 - 349 (+14.4%)
Sep 15 - 416 (+19.2%)
Sep 22 - 417 (flat)

Today - 437 cases. This day last week, 514.

More cantons seem to be a downward trend than up - exception being Bern.

The country trend seems to be have been driven primarily by Vaud which has suddenly and quite sharply been going the right way for about a week. To a lesser extent Zurich - which is also improving. Geneva looks flat. FR rapidly improving too...

I expect the Sep 29 rolling 7 day average will be below 400.
A more important measure though is to consider the amount of tests vs. the positivity rate. So compared to last week we have 5000 less tests for Wednesday and a corresponding increase in the positive percentage. Meaning, had they tested the same amount as last week, the numbers would have been higher.

On Twitter there is a user Thomie, I think, that is publishing the positivity rate vs number of tests per week day.
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Old 23.09.2020, 21:22
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How about trying to address the points I've made rather than trying to point score over things that I haven't said?
You could begin fruitful debate by offering facts to back up your opinions. If your opinion has a solid factual basis, it will withstand almost any test, but what you're offering is like asking a child why they feel a certain way and getting the reply "Because!"
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“Not everyone who has the virus can transmit it. This is because in order to transmit the virus, you need a certain viral load. And a higher viral load requires less sensitivity to be detected by a test.”
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/rapid-c...ormal/46051206
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Racking up now!



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How about trying to address the points I've made rather than trying to point score over things that I haven't said?
I did. You keep shifting the goalposts. If you mean things other than what you say then that's a different thing entirely.
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The country trend seems to be have been driven primarily by Vaud which has suddenly and quite sharply been going the right way for about a week.
Vaud has pretty much given up on contact tracing as they couldn’t keep up with it so as a consequence fewer tests are being carried out. This is a big part of the reason for the sudden, sharp drop in cases.
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Old 23.09.2020, 21:51
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If you squint at the CH data it is starting to look promising. Could just be a blip but worth following. 7 day averages:

Aug 17 - 221
Aug 24 - 258 (+16.7%)
Sep 1 - 305 (+18.2%)
Sep 8 - 349 (+14.4%)
Sep 15 - 416 (+19.2%)
Sep 22 - 417 (flat)

Today - 437 cases. This day last week, 514.

More cantons seem to be a downward trend than up - exception being Bern.

The country trend seems to be have been driven primarily by Vaud which has suddenly and quite sharply been going the right way for about a week. To a lesser extent Zurich - which is also improving. Geneva looks flat. FR rapidly improving too...

I expect the Sep 29 rolling 7 day average will be below 400.
Tests are also down compared to the previous weeks. Note sure slightly lower case numbers therefore are too telling. Positivity rate seems constant around 3.5%, give or take.

https://covid-19-schweiz.bagapps.ch/de-3.html
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Tests are also down compared to the previous weeks. Note sure slightly lower case numbers therefore are too telling. Positivity rate seems constant around 3.5%, give or take.

https://covid-19-schweiz.bagapps.ch/de-3.html
Thanks for this - very interesting.
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