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I wonder if you (or TonyClifton before thanking it) realize that this piece is promoting the highest level of quick action and preparedness, combined with a lack of boneheaded deniers who mock government action and refuse to follow the rules. I really wonder if you guys actually know what you're arguing for. Or maybe you're all just scared and confused, and lashing out is all you know. *sigh*
The idea of nuance must be a strange concept to you. I "thanked" this because it was an interesting article. Not everything in life is about sticking your flag on a hill and fighting all comers

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Don't lump the whole UK together. Scotland (at least) has had a track and trace app for several weeks already
Hope you're not blinded by the Nicola Sturgeon effect! One of the worst death rates in Europe (only Spain and England higher) worse death rates for care homes, basically following the lockdown measures taken in the rest of the UK yet the press laud her as some kind of great statesperson in her handling of the crisis!
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Old 24.09.2020, 13:45
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The idea of nuance must be a strange concept to you. I "thanked" this because it was an interesting article. Not everything in life is about sticking your flag on a hill and fighting all comers
Sure. Well, in any case this well written, spot on article that you thanked goes against everything you've stated thus far.
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Old 24.09.2020, 13:51
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I’m sorry if any of you are fans of Paul. I find him idiotic.
At least his father said something intelligent every once in a while, and I could understand where he was coming from, even agree now and then. Rand Paul is a true perversion of Ron Paul's principles, and resembles only the worst of him..
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Hope you're not blinded by the Nicola Sturgeon effect! One of the worst death rates in Europe (only Spain and England higher) worse death rates for care homes, basically following the lockdown measures taken in the rest of the UK yet the press laud her as some kind of great statesperson in her handling of the crisis!
Jesus you don't give up do you? All I mentioned was we have had the app for a few weeks already
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Well it doesn't, but I wouldn't expect you to realise that in any case.
Wow did you actually read the article? I predicted you'd twist the hell out of it.
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Old 24.09.2020, 13:53
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If you squint at the CH data it is starting to look promising. Could just be a blip but worth following. 7 day averages:

Aug 17 - 221
Aug 24 - 258 (+16.7%)
Sep 1 - 305 (+18.2%)
Sep 8 - 349 (+14.4%)
Sep 15 - 416 (+19.2%)
Sep 22 - 417 (flat)

Today - 437 cases. This day last week, 514.

More cantons seem to be a downward trend than up - exception being Bern.

The country trend seems to be have been driven primarily by Vaud which has suddenly and quite sharply been going the right way for about a week. To a lesser extent Zurich - which is also improving. Geneva looks flat. FR rapidly improving too...

I expect the Sep 29 rolling 7 day average will be below 400.
Good numbers again today!
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Old 24.09.2020, 13:55
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I know that multi-dimensional thinking is not your strength, so I'll try to dumb it down to a single-dimensional one.
How many times have you heard the phrase 'smarmy git' in your life time?
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Finland is unique. It has a unique history of antagonism with Russia and it's in its DNA to have a very, very high level of preparedness for any disaster. The society fabric is such that it allows for this to happen rapidly, but at the same time, to allow life to continue to the maximum extent possible.
Never met a Fin in panic, that is true.

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Is this something other countries can replicate? Yes. Is it something they can do in the short term with the same effectiveness? No. With possibly the exception of Israel.
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Old 24.09.2020, 14:12
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Good numbers again today!
If you look at the patterns, there are often short periods where the #'s go down for a while and then shoot back up again.

So trust me, I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's too early to be optimistic. We have no idea what the #'s are going to do tomorrow or over the next week or month, etc.

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Old 24.09.2020, 15:01
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Swedish daily death numbers. No lock down, no non-sense.

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Old 24.09.2020, 15:09
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If you look at the patterns, there are often short periods where the #'s go down for a while and then shoot back up again.

So trust me, I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's too early to be optimistic. We have no idea what the #'s are going to do tomorrow or over the next week or month, etc.

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The number of tests carried out is important too. You can’t just look at positive test results in isolation.
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Old 24.09.2020, 15:16
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The number of tests carried out is important too. You can’t just look at positive test results in isolation.
I was thinking yesterday that I bet the # of tests done is really going to begin to increase soon, now that regular flu season is quickly approaching.

With that said... I'm curious as to what people's thoughts are here in terms of being tested or having their kids tested, etc. If you start to feel a cold coming on, are you going to get tested? At what point exactly should one get a test? With our son in school, I feel like we do have a responsibility to get tested if we begin to show symptoms of having a cold. I would feel absolutely awful if we were to inadvertently spread that virus to his school (or anywhere else for that matter).
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Swedish daily death numbers. No lock down, no non-sense.

Be good to have a link to the source of the graph.
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I do state facts, just I write them with authority and challenge people to think rather than wrapping them up nicely with links for people who are unable to use google or challenge previously held beliefs.

In order to have a discussion, each side has to be able to agree that certain things are fact. When I say the UK is a service based consumer economy based on high spending, THIS IS A FACT. It's all there on the internet for you to look up. If you cannot agree on basic facts then there is little point in holding a discussion with you.
No. You largely state your opinion as if it's fact and speak in declaratives.

I agree that the UK is predominately a consumer based society. I disagreed with your statement that other EU countries were not.

You don't engage. You slide right past anything that doesn't confirm your bias and attempt to close down/patronise anyone who disagrees.
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Old 24.09.2020, 16:04
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Swedish daily death numbers. No lock down, no non-sense.
Deaths per 100,000 residents in the Stockholm region were eight times the deaths in the Zürich region, hope the Swiss do not move to the Swedish strategy any time soon.
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Old 24.09.2020, 17:03
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You do know that home schooling is not the same as distance learning, right?
and distance learning is a far cry from the campus / classroom experience of a premier college or university.

University of Phoenix is not my idea of a proper education, despite what the commercials try to tell me.

C-19 has denied my son some of the most memorable aspects of a young adult's (high school) life:

Senior year
Senior Prom
Graduation ceremony
Graduation celebrations

but hey-ho, life is full of second chances!
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Old 24.09.2020, 17:09
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Funny actually that Sweden is used both as a role model and as a bad example.
Not really.
I'd say Sweden's a role model for a particular route to take during this pandemic, but possibly/probably a bad example of how to handle a pandemic overall. We'll see more accurately how this pans out and how it's viewed in context a few years down the line.
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A New York Times survey of more than 1,600 American colleges and universities — including every four-year public institution, every private college that competes in N.C.A.A. sports and others that identified cases — has revealed at least 88,000 cases and at least 60 deaths since the pandemic began.

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from the article: "Because colleges report data differently, and because cases continued to emerge even in the months when most campuses were closed, The Times is counting all reported cases since the start of the pandemic". (Italics mine)


Additionally, the deaths are all attributed to employees working at colleges (no students) and given the above statement, may have occurred prior to colleges opening back up. (Makes for a scarier headline that way!)
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Not really.
I'd say Sweden's a role model for a particular route to take during this pandemic, but possibly/probably a bad example of how to handle a pandemic overall. We'll see more accurately how this pans out and how it's viewed in context a few years down the line.


Yes - we have all the time in the world to remain hunkered down.



Airbus in danger of going under, says chief executive
Robert Lea, Industrial Editor
Wednesday September 23 2020, 12.01am BST, The Times


Airbus, the European aircraft manufacturer that employs and indirectly supports tens of thousands of jobs in British aerospace factories, is in danger of collapse, its chief executive said.

Speaking yesterday to the French media, Guillaume Faury said: “The crisis is existential. Our life as a business is potentially at risk if we don’t take the right measures.”
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Not really.
I'd say Sweden's a role model for a particular route to take during this pandemic, but possibly/probably a bad example of how to handle a pandemic overall. We'll see more accurately how this pans out and how it's viewed in context a few years down the line.

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No other country triggers such mixed reactions in this thread as Sweden during this Corona crisis.
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