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"I think the main difference between Sweden and many other countries is that we have had the same kind of restrictions and recommendations in place the whole time."
Did I read that right? The main difference between Sweden and other countries is that they're the same?

Anyway, good to know that the rigid adherence of the Swedish people to the same kind of restrictions and recommendations results in 5-10x higher death rates than those other countries that do the same -- while still not providing any immunity. Imagine if they weren't quite so obedient.
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Old 25.09.2020, 15:17
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"I think the main difference between Sweden and many other countries is that we have had the same kind of restrictions and recommendations in place the whole time."

Did I read that right? The main difference between Sweden and other countries is that they're the same?
No, you did not read that right. Try again, I'm sure you'll work it out eventually.
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So Sweden has had restrictions the whole time and the death rate is still high?
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Old 25.09.2020, 15:54
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Switzerland just added a ton of countries to quarantine list, including U.K.
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Old 25.09.2020, 15:59
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Old 25.09.2020, 16:01
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Old 25.09.2020, 16:18
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Just made it back in time then.
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Ontario, Canada, just like Sweden and many countries in the world now, will not be implementing a lock down for the incoming second wave of infections, a copy of the fall pandemic preparedness plan obtained by the media.

Refreshing news.
Ontario has half the cases per capita as Switzerland. Canada has a 14-day quarantine for all travellers and masks for ages 2 and up on planes and in many schools. A friend is in the hospital in Toronto and needs a covid test for every procedure so that any cases can be contained before it spreads throughout a hospital. She's been tested twice a week for her entire hospital stay. Someone on her ward tested positive and even the roommate of that patient didn't test positive. Canada is taking this much more seriously.
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No, you did not read that right. Try again, I'm sure you'll work it out eventually.
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So Sweden has had restrictions the whole time and the death rate is still high?
I think I worked it out pretty well. So did RufusB. The Swedish epidemiologist says that Sweden has been just like everywhere else (although that's actually far from true), only consistently so -- which accounts for their 5-10x death rate.

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Old 25.09.2020, 16:57
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Switzerland just added a ton of countries to quarantine list, including U.K.
Help me understand the rule.. Maybe I'm missing this part ..

If me or wife travels and returns to one of the listed countries.. Me or her quarantine.. Ok

Are there restrictions on the rest of the household? Kids still go to school, other person goes to work? Shopping, whatever?


Edit : Never mind, I found it.. Others carry on as normal. Pretty much

Membres du ménage qui n’ont pas participé au voyage

Vous vivez avec une personne qui doit se mettre en quarantaine après son entrée en Suisse ? Évitez dans ce cas tout contact avec cette personne conformément aux consignes sur la quarantaine (PDF, 191 kB, 12.09.2020).

Si ces consignes sont respectées par toutes les personnes du ménage, vous pouvez continuer à vivre normalement au quotidien et ne devez pas vous mettre en quarantaine.
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Old 25.09.2020, 17:04
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I think I worked it out pretty well. So did RufusB. The Swedish epidemiologist says that Sweden has been just like everywhere else (although that's actually far from true), only consistently so -- which accounts for their 5-10x death rate.

Got it.

The Swedes better complied to worse measures.
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I think I worked it out pretty well. So did RufusB. The Swedish epidemiologist says that Sweden has been just like everywhere else (although that's actually far from true), only consistently so -- which accounts for their 5-10x death rate.

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Nothing in that quote is suggesting that Sweden had the same measures in place as other countries, just that they kept the same measures in place all the time, rather than other countries which he's implying did not.
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Old 25.09.2020, 17:56
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I think I worked it out pretty well. So did RufusB. The Swedish epidemiologist says that Sweden has been just like everywhere else (although that's actually far from true), only consistently so -- which accounts for their 5-10x death rate.

Got it.
I read it as that Sweden had introduced measures at the beginning and have maintained them ever since, not that they have the same measures as other countries.
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Old 25.09.2020, 18:46
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Nothing in that quote is suggesting that Sweden had the same measures in place as other countries, just that they kept the same measures in place all the time, rather than other countries which he's implying did not.
Actually, the quote was "the same kind of restrictions and recommendations".
It is difficult to spin "the same kind of " as meaning different measures?

I note people who commented left out the key part of the phrase which was "kind of"?

Of course, people are free to claim Tegnell was stretching the truth here.
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What's the logic here? Does the threshold of 60 per 100.000 in 14 days still apply? With that logic, Trentino-Alto Adige should have also made the list. Or is this because it borders CH?

What a shit show.

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Nothing in that quote is suggesting that Sweden had the same measures in place as other countries, just that they kept the same measures in place all the time, rather than other countries which he's implying did not.
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Actually, the quote was "the same kind of restrictions and recommendations".
It is difficult to spin "the same kind of " as meaning different measures?
It would seem that marton has spoken on my behalf, as I was so slow in responding.

And yes, I think Tegnell is taking some liberties in characterising Sweden's response as "the same kind" as other countries'.
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Old 25.09.2020, 19:32
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I read it as that Sweden had introduced measures at the beginning and have maintained them ever since, not that they have the same measures as other countries.
This is what Tegnell said to Channel 4 News on Wednesday -

https://www.channel4.com/news/boris-...kdown-strategy
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Old 25.09.2020, 19:42
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Are there restrictions on the rest of the household? Kids still go to school, other person goes to work? Shopping, whatever?


Edit : Never mind, I found it.. Others carry on as normal. Pretty much
On the proviso that the person in quarantine is also self-isolating from other members of the household of course. So, I'd have a bedroom set up for their return where they can stay for the duration without using the kitchen or, if possible, sharing the same bathroom, twoels, etc, as the rest of the household.
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This is what Tegnell said to Channel 4 News on Wednesday -

https://www.channel4.com/news/boris-...kdown-strategy
In that news report, Tegnell says, "In Sweden, we kept the same actions in place the whole time, the same recommendations, the same regulations and the people have adhered to them very well"

That's not the same as "the same kind of actions", etc., especially when couched as "the main difference between Sweden and many other countries". The obvious question is, "the same kind as what?", and the obvious answer, "the same as the other countries to which Tegnell is comparing Sweden".

It's clearer in this report that Tegnell is saying that the actions, recommendations and regulations were maintained at a consistent level throughout the crisis (which resulted in much higher infection and death rates inn Sweden, compared to other countries). He is suggesting that the lifting of the much stricter actions, recommendations, etc. elsewhere may have led to a resurgence of cases, which Sweden has -- or had -- not seen to date.

But he's sensibly not counting any chickens just yet. I suspect it would just take that public obedience to wane just a little, through boredom, frustration or whatever, for the whole approach to end up as one huge, steaming mess.

Effective vaccines, on the other hand, would prevent that result. But they would do nothing to bring back the 10x excess dead people in Sweden.
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On the proviso that the person in quarantine is also self-isolating from other members of the household of course. So, I'd have a bedroom set up for their return where they can stay for the duration without using the kitchen or, if possible, sharing the same bathroom, twoels, etc, as the rest of the household.
How many average Swiss households have a spare bedroom and a spare bathroom, with room service on offer?
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