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Sure but so far as I understand the approval path for things like nasal sprays and gargle cleansers is much quicker and less rigorous than for medicines and vaccines.
The nasal spray as described IS a medicine and will have to go through medicinal approvals.
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Old 29.09.2020, 09:17
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Yes, let's take a bit of potential light at the end of the tunnel and paint it dark.

This is how the UK media are playing it at the moment. The London Times carried 15 different items on Covit/Corona items yesterday all scaring the sh!t out of readers.

I had a phone call from a desperate friend in tears in a car park in Yorkshire as Lidl were sold out of toilet paper - again. She is scared stiff that her daughter at collage will come home with the news that a class mate has tested positive and her whole family will have to quarantine.

There will be deep mental scars from various governments' handling and mishandling of this pandemic - and taking a negative attitude will not help...
There is a difference between taking a negative attitude or taking "a potential light at the end of the tunnel and painting it dark" and simply being realistic. Keep in mind that last February, Trump was telling Americans that the virus was "no big deal," because he wanted to seem optimistic. And look what happened. And there are still to this day people who claim the virus is no big deal -- the COVID deniers, etc. I'm not sure how many deaths and hospitalizations it takes exactly, for these people to accept reality. But maybe it's something they will only accept if it's right on their own doorstep, so to speak.

So yes, news like new vaccines being in third phase of a trial are indeed a light at the end of the tunnel, but the fact is, we don't know what the situation with the pandemic is going to be like this winter. But clearly, some people have a problem admitting what they don't know.
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Old 29.09.2020, 09:49
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Yes, let's take a bit of potential light at the end of the tunnel and paint it dark.

This is how the UK media are playing it at the moment. The London Times carried 15 different items on Covit/Corona items yesterday all scaring the sh!t out of readers.

I had a phone call from a desperate friend in tears in a car park in Yorkshire as Lidl were sold out of toilet paper - again. She is scared stiff that her daughter at collage will come home with the news that a class mate has tested positive and her whole family will have to quarantine.

There will be deep mental scars from various governments' handling and mishandling of this pandemic - and taking a negative attitude will not help...
I think there needs to be balance in reporting and the UK press are not very good at that.
They need to find a balance between scaring the shit out of people and playing it down so that people become complacent and stop being careful.

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Old 29.09.2020, 09:54
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Re: Coronavirus

I had a remarkable email yesterday evening from my cousin. Why remarkable?

He was able to type it from home on his own computer!

You see, last Friday he returned home from a London hospital where he had spent the last 5½ months fighting and winning his battle with Covid 19.

He spent 5 weeks in an induced coma. Had two heart attacks and had stents inserted. He had pneumonia. A tracheostomy. He has no memory of what happened between April 15 and the end of July.

He is now walking with a stick and stairs are difficult, but he is determined that Covid19 will not make that permanent.

He is 80 years old.

His determination to live is incredible...
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There will be deep mental scars from various governments' handling and mishandling of this pandemic - and taking a negative attitude will not help...
I completely agree. And not just governments, I think WHO has grossly mishandled the whole situation at 1st.

But that doesn't mean we will become allergic to anyone even slightly positive about the pandemics development, shaming them for not respecting people's grief.

Thank you for sharing your remarkable cousin's story. I really appreciate it. One of my closest friends is 90. He is sick of the fear pandemics. He did survive Auschwitz mind you and still cracks the worst jokes about it.

The media is to be blamed for panic and fear mongering just like politicians. I find it unethical to posture or cash in on the current health threat. But they would not if there weren't enough customers/consumers to buy into it, unfortunately. I am glad to be here where rationality and positive, constructive mindset is appreciated. It would cost too much, anyways, if it was otherwise.
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Old 29.09.2020, 11:07
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Sure but so far as I understand the approval path for things like nasal sprays and gargle cleansers is much quicker and less rigorous than for medicines and vaccines.
In principal, no, the approval process is just the same regardless of the delivery machanism.

Of course, _some_ nasal sprays and maybe most gargles are using products which are already widely used and accepted, so not subject to NDA (new drug application) approval which may be what gives you this impression, but a new drug being delivered as a nasal spray will be subject to exactly the same testing requirements as one in tablet or injection form.
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Old 29.09.2020, 12:37
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In principal, no, the approval process is just the same regardless of the delivery machanism.
Er...no, not really. In the US OTC drugs are handled by a seperate FDA sub-agency, office of nonprescription drugs and as long as there's a final monograph (sort of a "recipe") there's no further need to FDA approval. It's quite more complicated with prescription drugs. Unless there's a massive change in the approval process since a few years ago, but i doubt that.
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Old 29.09.2020, 13:16
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Re: Coronavirus

I think some people interpret the media's reporting of facts as "scaremongering." But considering the fact that there is currently a pandemic going on that is now responsible for killing over one million people, I think the media is responsible for reporting on it.

Of course, I do recognize that the media sometimes sensationalizes things in order to keep readers and viewers engaged. But again, some people also consider the reporting of facts to be scaremongering when its goal is really just to help keep people informed.
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Old 29.09.2020, 13:27
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I think some people interpret the media's reporting of facts as "scaremongering."
The WHO saying that the deaths will reach 2m is not a fact, it's a scaremongering speculation.

The BBC running a massive headline on the main page "Covid deaths crossing agonizing 1m" is scaremongering while the actual news further down from their article is "Covid-19 mentioned in 1.5% of deaths in England and Wales"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

So yes, scary sure. But this sensationalism has turned once-respected media outlets into Fox-style panic-screaming clubs.
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Old 29.09.2020, 13:31
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Er...no, not really. In the US...
BTW we (almost) all live in Europe.
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Old 29.09.2020, 13:36
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BTW we (almost) all live in Europe.
Thank you Captain Obvious! The reason why I cited the US is because it's by far the leading market, countries tend to trust the process there and more importantly, Europe is not one homogeneous body with respect to prescription and OTC drugs, countries have very different regulations in place despite the EU push for standardization.
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Old 29.09.2020, 13:42
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The WHO saying that the deaths will reach 2m is not a fact, it's a scaremongering speculation.

The BBC running a massive headline on the main page "Covid deaths crossing agonizing 1m" is scaremongering while the actual news further down from their article is "Covid-19 mentioned in 1.5% of deaths in England and Wales"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

So yes, scary sure. But this sensationalism has turned once-respected media outlets into Fox-style panic-screaming clubs.
That BBC article is referring to the worldwide number of deaths due to COVID. Anyone who has been paying any attention whatsoever would realize that it isn't a reference to the number of deaths in the UK. I'm not even from the UK and I knew what that number was referencing. The first point it makes in that article is the following:

"The world's coronavirus death toll crosses one million, with the US, Brazil and India making up nearly half of the total, according to Johns Hopkins University."

But like I said, some people will interpret facts as scaremongering if that's what they want it to be.
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Old 29.09.2020, 13:43
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Thank you Captain Obvious! The reason why I cited the US is because it's by far the leading market, countries tend to trust the process there and more importantly, Europe is not one homogeneous body with respect to prescription and OTC drugs, countries have very different regulations in place despite the EU push for standardization.
...and the reason I wrote that is that across Europe there is no separate procedure for "OTC medicine". All new medical products are treated the same.
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Old 29.09.2020, 14:55
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...and the reason I wrote that is that across Europe there is no separate procedure for "OTC medicine". All new medical products are treated the same.
No, this is practically not true. Let's not get into details, because that's not the point, but commercializing an OTC drug is subject to local legislation, not EU.
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The BBC running a massive headline on the main page "Covid deaths crossing agonizing 1m" is scaremongering while the actual news further down from their article is "Covid-19 mentioned in 1.5% of deaths in England and Wales"
I'm sure they put it in perspective for their readers - the 1918 pandemic killed 50 Million.
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Old 29.09.2020, 18:16
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I think there needs to be balance in reporting and the UK press are not very good at that.
They need to find a balance between scaring the shit out of people and playing it down so that people become complacent and stop being careful.
Had a long call from one of my closest mates on Sunday to say he's thinking of deleting all his social media because he's finding it "stressful". He's the last person in the world I would have expected to say that, but as 3 of his 4 kids (age 5, 10, 11 and 13) are currently at home as their year groups are quarantining, he's got his hands full at the moment. Only their 11yr old is still going to school. He was only buying a newspaper on the 2 days a week he was back in work and doesn't bother the rest of the time when he's working from home. With the kids home, he doesn't get to see tv news until 10pm.

The stress he's feeling isn't coming from main stream media. It's coming from the constant daily upheaval of having to quarantine with his kids, work from home, try (and fail) to get tests for the kids as instructed and manage the needs of their 11yr old who, in effect, is trying to isolate from the rest of the family when he gets home from school. His wife and youngest child have had the virus back in early March and his wife tested positive for antibodies, but she's still expected to quarantine with the kids. It's just a balls up.

As for UK media carrying lots of articles on the subject, it's a fast changing situation there with differing regulations in different areas on a near daily basis now. My hometown's restrictions tightened at the weekend. Nobody knows how long for. One guy tried to do a flow chart of the regs but ran out of space on his kid's blackboard painted wall.
That's not down to the media. It's squarely down to the government chasing it's tail.
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I am not sure why the NHS, as RufusB mentioned, is overwhelmed at the moment. Maybe there are systemic issues in UK health care system that need to be addressed?
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Not easy but I worry about the long term effects on people in isolation who are scared to get treatment/screening. And those who have lost their jobs; others who already struggle with anxiety? I won't even venture into the economic costs here.

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It is not just those who are vulnerable; it is also about those who have become vulnerable. That is my worry/concern. At what point do the efforts to contain this virus exceed those who could be affected versus those who become afflicted?
It's not overwhelmed. I said admissions are rising. The lockdown, in part, is to prevent the system from buckling. But yes, the system also needs a huge influx of money to be sorted properly but that is a very different and divisive issue.

Mental health concerns are indeed huge.
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In principal, no, the approval process is just the same regardless of the delivery machanism.

Of course, _some_ nasal sprays and maybe most gargles are using products which are already widely used and accepted, so not subject to NDA (new drug application) approval which may be what gives you this impression, but a new drug being delivered as a nasal spray will be subject to exactly the same testing requirements as one in tablet or injection form.
I was thinking about this one.
A nasal spray against COVID-19 that is based on Carrageenans that are polysaccharides used as thickeners and food stabilizers.
Currently, it is used in the food, pharmaceutical and cosmetic industries.
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I was thinking about this one.
A nasal spray against COVID-19 that is based on Carrageenans that are polysaccharides used as thickeners and food stabilizers.
Currently, it is used in the food, pharmaceutical and cosmetic industries.
Great, so processed foods could make you more resilient - if they didn't make you fat.
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I'm sure they put it in perspective for their readers - the 1918 pandemic killed 50 Million.
The Spanish Flu / the 1918 pandemic lasted for over two years and came in three "waves." The virus had also mutated during that time, causing it to become much more deadly.

Why the Second Wave of the 1918 Spanish Flu Was So Deadly
"The first strain of the Spanish flu wasn’t particularly deadly. Then it came back in the fall with a vengeance."
https://www.history.com/news/spanish...ave-resurgence

Also, the war was going on at the time, and many of the people who died were serving in the military. Also, the news wasn't reporting much about the pandemic for quite some time, to properly inform people. And that's why it's called the "Spanish flu" -- because in the beginning, Spain was the only country that was actually reporting about it (the virus had actually originated in the US, or at least that's where the first official diagnosed case occurred).
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