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There is a difference between taking a negative attitude or taking "a potential light at the end of the tunnel and painting it dark" and simply being realistic. Keep in mind that last February, Trump was telling Americans that the virus was "no big deal," because he wanted to seem optimistic. And look what happened. And there are still to this day people who claim the virus is no big deal -- the COVID deniers, etc. I'm not sure how many deaths and hospitalizations it takes exactly, for these people to accept reality. But maybe it's something they will only accept if it's right on their own doorstep, so to speak.

So yes, news like new vaccines being in third phase of a trial are indeed a light at the end of the tunnel, but the fact is, we don't know what the situation with the pandemic is going to be like this winter. But clearly, some people have a problem admitting what they don't know.
Many companies are prepared to have their employees work from home till next year and even longer. All the fear mongering in the media etc is probably because many people became complacent and stopped being careful. As for a vaccine...I don't believe it till I see it.
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Old 30.09.2020, 03:50
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The Spanish Flu / the 1918 pandemic lasted for over two years and came in three "waves." The virus had also mutated during that time, causing it to become much more deadly.

Why the Second Wave of the 1918 Spanish Flu Was So Deadly
"The first strain of the Spanish flu wasn’t particularly deadly. Then it came back in the fall with a vengeance."
https://www.history.com/news/spanish...ave-resurgence

Also, the war was going on at the time, and many of the people who died were serving in the military. Also, the news wasn't reporting much about the pandemic for quite some time, to properly inform people. And that's why it's called the "Spanish flu" -- because in the beginning, Spain was the only country that was actually reporting about it (the virus had actually originated in the US, or at least that's where the first official diagnosed case occurred).
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Do you think COVID will climb to 50M over the next 3 years?


Its all about perspective.

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And?

Do you think COVID will climb to 50M over the next 3 years?


Its all about perspective.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how...-die-each-day/
Conclusion: Covid-19 is a new communicable infection causing a significant increase in death rates around the world (first wave) though there are individual countries that have escaped the worst effects. Worldwide efforts to limit the second wave are a work in progress.
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The WHO saying that the deaths will reach 2m is not a fact, it's a scaremongering speculation.
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Well, it was high time for WHO to inform correctly, they've made quite a few mistakes so far. They might prove they're not some useless bureaucrats after all.
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Old 30.09.2020, 09:09
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And?

Do you think COVID will climb to 50M over the next 3 years?


Its all about perspective.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how...-die-each-day/
A whole lot has changed since 1918 so it would be stupid to assume that things will follow the same pattern.
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Old 30.09.2020, 12:32
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Missed this the other day but seems Sweden's state epidemiologist has said that he is now willing to recommend lockdown measures such as school closures, and strict limits to the size of gatherings - so long as they are only imposed locally and for three weeks at a time....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...down-strategy/ (sorry, needs registration)

Also I see the infection rate there has been quietly climbing over the last couple of weeks and is again higher than Switzerland.

Now what was that about herd immunity there?
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Missed this the other day but seems Sweden's state epidemiologist has said that he is now willing to recommend lockdown measures such as school closures, and strict limits to the size of gatherings - so long as they are only imposed locally and for three weeks at a time....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...down-strategy/ (sorry, needs registration)

Also I see the infection rate there has been quietly climbing over the last couple of weeks and is again higher than Switzerland.

Now what was that about herd immunity there?
Tegnell claimed recently that it was never about herd immunity (which leaves open the question, so what was he trying to achieve then?)

This latest U-turn is his way of saying "Förlåt, jag hade fel".
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Old 30.09.2020, 13:23
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Maybe this elsewhere in the thread .. But explain me the testing / positive rate..

Yesterday 225 confirmed in CH, 3.8% positive..

So 96.2% of those tested yesterday were negative..

Which leads me to think why did that almost 6000 people get tested yesterday? Were they all symptomatic? if so, has the flu season started? Or did they all need a test to travel?
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Old 30.09.2020, 13:26
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Maybe this elsewhere in the thread .. But explain me the testing / positive rate..

Yesterday 225 confirmed in CH, 3.8% positive..

So 96.2% of those tested yesterday were negative..

Which leads me to think why did that almost 6000 people get tested yesterday? Were they all symptomatic? if so, has the flu season started? Or did they all need a test to travel?
Malta is even more bonkers roughly 1% test positive, no of tests now equal 50% of the population.
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Which leads me to think why did that almost 6000 people get tested yesterday? Were they all symptomatic? if so, has the flu season started? Or did they all need a test to travel?
You think it's a bad thing? The more we test, the better we can keep the virus under control.

Btw, it's not either or. In some cases it's contact tracking, in other cases is corona-like symptoms, some people want to travel or came from places with high infection rate. Different reasons.
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Old 30.09.2020, 14:48
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Maybe this elsewhere in the thread .. But explain me the testing / positive rate..

Yesterday 225 confirmed in CH, 3.8% positive..

So 96.2% of those tested yesterday were negative..

Which leads me to think why did that almost 6000 people get tested yesterday? Were they all symptomatic? if so, has the flu season started? Or did they all need a test to travel?
I believe that certain workers such as healthcare professionals are tested regularly, so that might account for some of the high numbers of tests on certain days.

Example from the States: My cousin is a nurse. During April, May and June she was tested at least twice a week. In July and August, weekly. In September, every other week. This one person accounts for 34 tests so far. All negative, thankfully.
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Old 30.09.2020, 14:49
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A whole lot has changed since 1918 so it would be stupid to assume that things will follow the same pattern.
indeed - our ability to communicate the virus has increase many-fold as has our ability to fight such a virus (or at least treat it).

I would expect more infections than the Spanish flu and fewer deaths.
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Re: Coronavirus

Will Russia be launching their nationwide vaccination program as promised in October while
they are still ahead in the Vaccine space race with Sputnik V ?

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Re: Coronavirus

Cases rising in the UK. Not suprising as all the universities and schools are open because they're "safe" and the bloody pubs are open.

Better/more testing is necessary and then fewer quarantines likely needed. Then life can approach normality again. But it's no wonder there is cock-up after cock-up with BoJo et al in charge. Williamson must be in line for a peerage - it'll be the only way he can be got rid of safely without him drawing a map detailing where all the Tory skellingtons are...







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Cases rising in the UK. Not suprising as all the universities and schools are open because they're "safe" and the bloody pubs are open.

Better/more testing is necessary and then fewer quarantines likely needed. Then life can approach normality again. But it's no wonder there is cock-up after cock-up with BoJo et al in charge. Williamson must be in line for a peerage - it'll be the only way he can be got rid of safely without him drawing a map detailing where all the Tory skellingtons are...







* yes, I know it's reall skeletons.

Same in Holland. No BoJo to blame but I feel we fail as a country.
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Will Russia be launching their nationwide vaccination program as promised in October while
they are still ahead in the Vaccine space race with Sputnik V ?
I think the first official trials with Navalny didn't end so well, so maybe they're back to the unofficial trials in Gulag
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Re: Coronavirus

According to John Hopkins University of Medicine, in a chart "Mortality in the most affected countries" not a single country that opted for no-lock down measures appears on the list.

In the Cases and mortality by country list, Sweden is well behind countries with full lockdown measures like Italy, UK, Belgium...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality



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In the Cases and mortality by country list, Sweden is well behind countries with full lockdown measures like Italy, UK, Belgium...
Now remind us again where Sweden is compared to its directly comperable peers, Norway, Finland and Denmark?
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V_ what are you trying to say? As soon as the lockdown and travel restrictions as well as gathering restrictions were gone (at least partially), corona cases increased dramatically. In my country the covidiots or covitards ran off to spend their holidays abroad because you know, it was the end of the world and couldn't bloody wait for the next year. And and and.
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Re: Coronavirus

From today...

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Covid-19: mass events again allowed in Switzerland

Concerts, football matches, conferences and other large-scale public and private events of more than 1,000 people can take place in Switzerland from Thursday. But the organisers have to meet strict Covid-19 rules to ensure the public’s safety.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-1...rland/46069678

Premature? Foolhardy? We shall see, but I do question the reasoning behind this when many people have told they'll be working from home for the foreseeable.
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