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Personally I'd like to see the living, and the older living at that, pay substantial taxes for the cost of these lockdowns.

I don't see why the young/middle aged (say everyone below 60) should be burdened with even more debt and taxes to pay for a disease which would not have harmed them (queue virtue signaller saying 'We don't know that! We don't know who is vulnerable until it's too late!')

Kids today moving into the workplace already have it tough (sky high housing costs, student debt) and now poor employment opportunities and the prospect of increased taxes.

Inheritance tax up to 100% for 20 years seems reasonable. This is basically a victimless tax. The person dead is not affected, the people who were going to receive the inheritance didn't earn it anyway.



Whatever happens, someone's gotta pay.
Yes. Why should we pay for the weak and the sick and the poor and the unlucky ones? Let them figure it out.

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Will you say that as well when you hit 60 and have to pay? Rather short sighted as one may hope that you reach that age

I will be in this inheritance net as well.

I'd like to hear ideas on how this will be paid for.
As I mentioned, I don't think it's fair to burden the young to pay for a disease that would not have hurt them.
Inheritance tax is painless. They could also bring in higher wealth taxes, and introduce them in countries where they don't exist.
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A reanalysis of the Imperial College modelling that led to lockdown in March shows that shutting schools and preventing youngsters from mingling may have had the counterintuitive effect of actually killing more people.

In a study published in the BMJ, Edinburgh University predicted that over the entire course of the pandemic, keeping children out of classrooms would increase deaths by between 80,000 and 95,000. Likewise, social distancing of everyone, rather than just the over-70s, could cost between 149,000 and 178,000 lives.

Experts say the virus was able to spread faster to vulnerable people once lockdown measures were introduced than if some level of immunity had been allowed to build up in the young.

The authors of the new paper, who rediscovered the figures in their reappraisal, said the Government appeared to have chosen to protect the NHS in the short term, rather than save lives throughout the whole epidemic. Although it reduced peak demand for ICU beds, it prolonged the epidemic, resulting in more long-term Covid-19 deaths.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...tudy-suggests/
Guess you missed out this paragraph from the authors when selectively quoting the article behind a paywall that most wouldn't have access too? I even selectively bolded it like you do!

“Lockdown does mean that the number of deaths goes down, so there is a short-term gain, but it leads to long-term pain. If you had done nothing, it would all be over by now. It would have been absolutely horrendous but it would be over. It wouldn’t even have been completely lunatic to do nothing.”

Not completely lunatic....just a bit lunatic.
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Yes. Why should we pay for the weak and the sick and the poor and the unlucky ones? Let them figure it out.

Wow.
Targetted sheilding costs would have been palatable, all of Europe has the mentality of social care engrained in them.
But trashing economies due to govt. mismanagement is not.
Anyway, someone's gotta pay, and I don't think it should be the generations that would have been least affected.
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With fewer deaths caused by the virus, despite increasing infections, I am beginning to believe that the virus has weakened somewhat. However, it may also be that a decreased mortality rate is the result of better medicine.

Is it time we reassess our view of the virus?
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Old 09.10.2020, 11:51
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Personally I'd like to see the living, and the older living at that, pay substantial taxes for the cost of these lockdowns.

I don't see why the young/middle aged (say everyone below 60) should be burdened with even more debt and taxes to pay for a disease which would not have harmed them (queue virtue signaller saying 'We don't know that! We don't know who is vulnerable until it's too late!')




Whatever happens, someone's gotta pay.
Are you going to create a special tax for vulnerable people? You don’t have to be old to be at risk and the lockdown protected them too.
Are all the immunosupressed, diabetic, disabled, cancer suffering etc people going to be included in this extra tax? The already have enough to contend with already through no fault of their own.
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Are you going to create a special tax for vulnerable people? You don’t have to be old to be at risk and the lockdown protected them too.
Are all the immunosupressed, diabetic, disabled, cancer suffering etc people going to be included in this extra tax? The already have enough to contend with already through no fault of their own.
Being that tax is teared based on earnings, those really vulnerable probably don't pay tax already (12 CHF min in ZH). No reason why a diabetic wealthy co director earning millions should not pay.
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Old 09.10.2020, 12:00
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Are you going to create a special tax for vulnerable people? You don’t have to be old to be at risk and the lockdown protected them too.
Are all the immunosupressed, diabetic, disabled, cancer suffering etc people going to be included in this extra tax? The already have enough to contend with already through no fault of their own.
Might as well get rid of health insurance and have everyone paying for the health cost they cause. Wouldn't that be fair?
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Might as well get rid of health insurance and have everyone paying for the health cost they cause. Wouldn't that be fair?
Smokers could pay a premium & premiums based on risk like health insurance in every country. Perfectly fair, however flat rates ignoring age, irons out for people who live in Switzerland throughout their lives.
Older people benefited as the law for mandatory insurance is roughly 20 years old, is that fair?
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Old 09.10.2020, 12:27
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Some months ago and several hundred pages of this mighty thread, I suggested that as one in the vulnerable group by age (71), if nothing else, I would be more than happy to let every one younger than me go about their lives without restriction.

I would keep out of the way - shopping a couple of times a week with a mask and avoiding socialising, no travel, no holidays and stay at home all the time.

This is essentially what I have been doing since March anyway!

In reality the cut off age for such an idea would likely be 40, not 70.

From the British press more students seem to be dying of drug overdoses than Covid...
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Old 09.10.2020, 12:28
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Being that tax is teared based on earnings, those really vulnerable probably don't pay tax already (12 CHF min in ZH). No reason why a diabetic wealthy co director earning millions should not pay.
Not really relevant to my point which was aimed at Codpeace but whatever.
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Are you going to create a special tax for vulnerable people? You don’t have to be old to be at risk and the lockdown protected them too.
Are all the immunosupressed, diabetic, disabled, cancer suffering etc people going to be included in this extra tax? The already have enough to contend with already through no fault of their own.
Please quit the virtue signalling. It's bad enough with Pancakes shedding crocodile tears for every minority scenario on the planet.
Maybe save it for next year when the metal health, cancer, chronic illnesses all come out to play and the lockdown covid 'saves' are trumped by the lockdown non-covid deaths.



The extra tax I've propsed is 100% inheritance tax for 20 years. If you're dead, it doesn't matter. (obviously married/partnered survivors exempted).


How do YOU propose we pay off the massive, and unjustified, costs of the lockdown?
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Please quit the virtue signalling. It's bad enough with Pancakes shedding crocodile tears for every minority scenario on the planet.
Maybe save it for next year when the metal health, cancer, chronic illnesses all come out to play and the lockdown covid 'saves' are trumped by the lockdown non-covid deaths.



The extra tax I've propsed is 100% inheritance tax for 20 years. If you're dead, it doesn't matter. (obviously married/partnered survivors exempted).


How do YOU propose we pay off the massive, and unjustified, costs of the lockdown?
Maybe by not buying expensive new toys such as fighter jets, its not like Switzerland actually needs them....
I know I know it was voted for...
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How do YOU propose we pay off the massive, and unjustified, costs of the lockdown?
Split the costs between the people who are pro-lockdown.
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Old 09.10.2020, 13:29
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I'd like to hear ideas on how this will be paid for. As I mentioned, I don't think it's fair to burden the young to pay for a disease that would not have hurt them. Inheritance tax is painless. They could also bring in higher wealth taxes, and introduce them in countries where they don't exist.
This is public information since several months ago. If you ignore the info it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So, no additional taxes are required to pay for the covid19 relief program.

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Will taxpayers – citizens, consumers and companies – ultimately have to foot the bill? At the moment there are no plans to raise taxes, according to federal tax authorities. The 26 cantons of the country set their own tax levels.
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Finance Minister Ueli Maurer last week estimated that the Swiss government would provide between CHF70 billion and CHF80 billion in financial aid. In addition, the country’s 26 cantons and local authorities will contribute to the relief efforts. The figure is comparable to the CHF68 billion the government forked out to rescue the leading bank UBS when it was struggling in the wake of the global financial crisis of 2007-2008.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/financi...kage-/45721512

Funny thing is that in my home country the covid relief package is almost non-existent, so no need to worry about how it will be paid. In CH, current taxes are enough to pay it. Other countries, why worry?
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VD and VS are gonna stop testing people mild symptoms.. Like runny nose and headaches etc.

So we'll likely all be happy, the cases reported will drop significantly

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Other countries, why worry?
There wouldn't be much of a Trump thread in that case.


But I'm speaking for all countries. CH is rich, and pragmatic, and seems to be a poster boy now for managing this issue.
As discussed elsewhere, a lot of Effers will leave CH at some point, so it is a concern.


Meantime, any payment suggestions as it seems we want to be the richest corpses in the cemetery.
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Some months ago and several hundred pages of this mighty thread, I suggested that as one in the vulnerable group by age (71), if nothing else, I would be more than happy to let every one younger than me go about their lives without restriction.
This is what a few of us were suggesting, but back then we were bashed by a very vocal alarmist majority. Proudly, I even got banned for this! Slowly, but surely, sense is coming back, but it will take time as, mentioned on the previous page, the WHO together with the BBC and CNN were creating mass hysteria and governments had to outdo each other to show they care about their voters. Because in the end, it's not about anything else, but taxes and votes and ultimately this is what drives politicians. If we were getting the same message hammered over a 6 month period: "you will die, you will die, you will die" you stop paying attention to details, you panic.
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Please quit the virtue signalling. It's bad enough with Pancakes shedding crocodile tears for every minority scenario on the planet.
Maybe save it for next year when the metal health, cancer, chronic illnesses all come out to play and the lockdown covid 'saves' are trumped by the lockdown non-covid deaths.



The extra tax I've propsed is 100% inheritance tax for 20 years. If you're dead, it doesn't matter. (obviously married/partnered survivors exempted).


How do YOU propose we pay off the massive, and unjustified, costs of the lockdown?
I'd rather be perceived as "shedding crocodile tears" than to be a psychopath who thinks that the elderly and people born with auto-immune diseases, etc. should be financially penalized for it.
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