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Old 09.10.2020, 13:24
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There wouldn't be much of a Trump thread in that case.

But I'm speaking for all countries. CH is rich, and pragmatic, and seems to be a poster boy now for managing this issue.
As discussed elsewhere, a lot of Effers will leave CH at some point, so it is a concern.

Meantime, any payment suggestions as it seems we want to be the richest corpses in the cemetery.
The only concern is that the poor emerging economies countries who could not afford a covid economic package will fare worse economically in the next few years compared to the developed economies with relief packages financed by strong tax collection. More than who will pay, the worry will be should we have spent more?

Worries about Trump on the Trump thread. Anyway, worst thing can happen is Trump wins a second presidential term and then disappears into irrelevance. If a Trump second term can derail someone's plans......they're dreams not a solid strategy set by an adult.
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Old 09.10.2020, 13:29
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Might as well get rid of health insurance and have everyone paying for the health cost they cause. Wouldn't that be fair?
That's how it worked the first ten years that I lived here.

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I'd rather be perceived as "shedding crocodile tears" than to be a psychopath who thinks that the elderly and people born with auto-immune diseases, etc. should be financially penalized for it.
I do apologise, I forgot to add 'bed wetting'.


But anyway, where exactly, and do quote me please, have I said the elderly and people born with auto-immune diseases, etc. should be financialy penalised?


What I said was I did not think the younger generations should be on the hook for this, and that inheritance tax should be used as a tool to recoup the costs. In fact inheritance tax means no-one (alive) pays any more tax than they would have!


Also, any suggestions on how the billions will be paid back?
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Old 09.10.2020, 13:51
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Also, any suggestions on how the billions will be paid back?
It will be those nasty, inconsiderate and noisy youngsters who have to start paying! Oh, wait, they are unemployed, denied education and in no position to sort out their lives in the convenient, safe and fairly stable way that most 50+ were lucky enough to enjoy.
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Old 09.10.2020, 14:10
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BAG does a press conference to announce the change of the campaign colour from blue to orange ... what a joke.
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Old 09.10.2020, 14:19
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Similar question to you as the one I asked Greenmount: why does a challenge to a statement that is wrong becomes "silly" just because you tend to disagree with the general view of the challenger? At the same time, really silly "facts" go unnoticed and even liked simply because you tend to agree with the person in general? Don't you think that there's a certain loss if debate is not free? I should probably stop now as I risk getting banned again for disagreeing with a mod like last week, but this panic-room sometimes produces exceptional alarmism

And no, I've never tried to re-phrase long-term, you misunderstood me. I simply challenged the 40% which was presented as a fact.
I didn't say you or your posts were silly, I said "it's getting silly" as in the whole back-and-forth. You choose to focus on the 40%, which Melusine didn't even claim was a fact, and it sort of went down a rabbit hole from there.

Disagree if you want, I don't care as long as it's civil. In this particular exchange, I felt you were coming across as snarky and arrogant with the "I told you so" posts when what Melusine said was never declared as fact. You interpreted it as her claiming a fact.

Similarly, because you kept going on about peer-reviewed studies, I interpreted your posts as meaning you were thinking long-term as in years - even though you never used those exact words.

Such is life reading words on a screen instead of having a lively debate in person.

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...The authors of the new paper, who rediscovered the figures in their reappraisal, said the Government appeared to have chosen to protect the NHS in the short term, rather than save lives throughout the whole epidemic. Although it reduced peak demand for ICU beds, it prolonged the epidemic, resulting in more long-term Covid-19 deaths...
That was the word order of the original slogan, you know. "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives."

Jokes aside, what other approach could they take? It appeared the NHS was being overwhelmed, which meant that surely more people would die if they could not receive needed care. Yes, flattening the curve means that deaths continue for a while, albeit at a more manageable pace.

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Some months ago and several hundred pages of this mighty thread, I suggested that as one in the vulnerable group by age (71), if nothing else, I would be more than happy to let every one younger than me go about their lives without restriction...
I'm really happy you are still able to get out and about on your own and make this type of decision for yourself, and that you have such a pragmatic attitude.

The unfortunate reality is that thousands of people are not as fit as you and fully able to care for themselves. They can't function without those "young people" who come in and care for them - doctors, nurses, cleaning crews, food workers, etc. - those young people who you want to go about their lives without restriction.

Also if my outings are any indicator, you're in the minority of "vulnerable age" people in terms of staying home for the most part. I've seen more pensioners out and about on our hikes than I have younger folks.
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Old 09.10.2020, 14:24
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Also, any suggestions on how the billions will be paid back?
To think that you, I or anyone else on this forum needs to come up with practical suggestions is laughable. You are a random muggins on an internet forum, in reality you have no idea how to juggle the budget of an entire country, with all of the myriad of complexities that entails. Everything you are writing here with regards to IHT etc as though they are workable solutions is just speculative BS and means absolutely nothing.

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How lovely to put the blame on the young! You mean the people out of job, out of prospects that you and me had and the people that can't properly go to finish their studies? Yes, this is EXACTLY the target we should aim to fix everything

I'm not putting the blame on the young, but on people who refuse to follow recommendations from the government. My apology for the misunderstanding.


Social distancing, social hygiene and masks can help keep the cases under control so that the businesses and life can return to almost normal. Yet, people complained that their freedom is compromised and refused to follow. Then when the situation is getting out of control, e.g. hospitals are overloaded, what choice does the government have?
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Old 09.10.2020, 14:42
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BAG does a press conference to announce the change of the campaign colour from blue to orange ... what a joke.
Presumably, a tribute to Trump to compensate for failing to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Old 09.10.2020, 15:03
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A reanalysis of the Imperial College modelling that led to lockdown in March shows that shutting schools and preventing youngsters from mingling may have had the counterintuitive effect of actually killing more people.

In a study published in the BMJ, Edinburgh University predicted that over the entire course of the pandemic, keeping children out of classrooms would increase deaths by between 80,000 and 95,000. Likewise, social distancing of everyone, rather than just the over-70s, could cost between 149,000 and 178,000 lives.

Experts say the virus was able to spread faster to vulnerable people once lockdown measures were introduced than if some level of immunity had been allowed to build up in the young.

The authors of the new paper, who rediscovered the figures in their reappraisal, said the Government appeared to have chosen to protect the NHS in the short term, rather than save lives throughout the whole epidemic. Although it reduced peak demand for ICU beds, it prolonged the epidemic, resulting in more long-term Covid-19 deaths.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...tudy-suggests/
A slightly different take on the Edinburgh work here:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2062...9-projections/

And the actual Edinburgh paper (not the Telegraph's take on it) here:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3588

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All the stuff you appear to think is new was in the original Imperial paper back in March and Edinburgh come to the same conclusions.
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You are a random muggins on an internet forum
And you're not?
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in reality you have no idea how to juggle the budget of an entire with all of the myriad of complexities that entails.
You don't say? and here's me thinking I was onto something. Talk about stating the bleedin' obvious.
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Everything you are writing here with regards to IHT etc as though they are workable solutions is just speculative BS and means absolutely nothing.
So I fit right in with the bollox that you come up with then?
Where did I say they are workable solutions? I said they are suggestions, while I randomly pass the time of day.

The libtards are quick enough to defend lockdowns et al. Yet no suggestions, despite a random muggins coming up with one, on how to pay for it all.
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Old 09.10.2020, 16:59
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The libtards are quick enough to defend lockdowns et al. Yet no suggestions, despite a random muggins coming up with one, on how to pay for it all.
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Old 09.10.2020, 18:03
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Permanent ban!
That seems to be the current solution around here. Maybe when they ban all of us who don't support lock downs maybe they will finally feel safe

But the question of the cost eventually will have to be answered...
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Old 09.10.2020, 18:28
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He’ll be back, it’s not his first rodeo.
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VD and VS are gonna stop testing people mild symptoms.. Like runny nose and headaches etc.

So we'll likely all be happy, the cases reported will drop significantly

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Is actually true? BAG have confirmed strategy of immediate test if symptomatic.
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Old 09.10.2020, 18:44
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Why isn't Chuff banned then?

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Is actually true? BAG have confirmed strategy of immediate test if symptomatic.
Yes it is

https://coronavirus.unisante.ch/

If you only have what they call minor symptoms such as headache etc they will test only if you have been in contact with a person who is positive....
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Yes it is

https://coronavirus.unisante.ch/

If you only have what they call minor symptoms such as headache etc they will test only if you have been in contact with a person who is positive....
So BAG recommends something different. That's very comforting.
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But anyway, where exactly, and do quote me please, have I said the elderly and people born with auto-immune diseases, etc. should be financialy penalised?
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Personally I'd like to see the living, and the older living at that, pay substantial taxes for the cost of these lockdowns.

I don't see why the young/middle aged (say everyone below 60) should be burdened with even more debt and taxes to pay for a disease which would not have harmed them (queue virtue signaller saying 'We don't know that! We don't know who is vulnerable until it's too late!')
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I do apologise, I forgot to add 'bed wetting'.
Clearly, maturity isn't really your 'thing,' now is it?
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Yes it is

https://coronavirus.unisante.ch/

If you only have what they call minor symptoms such as headache etc they will test only if you have been in contact with a person who is positive....
Wow. And how exactly is someone supposed to know if they've been in contact with someone who is positive? You can be in contact with a positive person who doesn't even know that they're positive.

It sounds to me like insurance companies and the government are tired of paying for tests. Perhaps they also want to keep the #'s down to try to make the situation here look better than it really is.
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