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Old 09.10.2020, 19:54
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Clearly, maturity isn't really your 'thing,' now is it?
I think you are really making an effort to twist and misinterpret his view. I'm by no means his lawyer and with the risk of getting banned too and again, he's saying that if 100% of the population is going for a lockdown to protect the 10% or whatever the actual percentage is of vulnerable people is, then it's only fair that these 10% pay a substantially higher tax.

Now, do you actually understand WHY is he proposing this? To bring home the point that the vulnerable could be protected by staying at home on their own lockdown, but the rest of us can go on with our lives and most importantly, work, pay taxes, pay insurance, so that the system doesn't break up for everyone.
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Old 09.10.2020, 20:00
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I think you are really making an effort to twist and misinterpret his view. I'm by no means his lawyer and with the risk of getting banned too and again, he's saying that if 100% of the population is going for a lockdown to protect the 10% or whatever the actual percentage is of vulnerable people is, then it's only fair that these 10% pay a substantially higher tax.

Now, do you actually understand WHY is he proposing this? To bring home the point that the vulnerable could be protected by staying at home on their own lockdown, but the rest of us can go on with our lives and most importantly, work, pay taxes, pay insurance, so that the system doesn't break up for everyone.
Nice idea, and why are so many younger people now getting the virus? Because the older stay sensible and at home whilst the others get on with their life apparently. Do the people who are infected now pay extra for the health insurance?

If you like the idea of no longer sharing the cost, better start saving up now as your whole pension will be spent on paying your health insurance by that time.
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Old 09.10.2020, 20:02
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Nice idea, and why are so many younger people now getting the virus? Because the older stay sensible and at home whilst the others get on with their life apparently. Do the people who are infected now pay extra for the health insurance?

If you like the idea of no longer sharing the cost, better start saving up now as your whole pension will be spent on paying your health insurance by that time.
Getting infected is fine, look at the % of hospitalizations and mortality - it's barely nudged upwards and nowhere near the rate increase of infections. Second: look at the age breakdown - the young represent an infinitesimal number of the overall deaths. Not much of a risk to them

Ultimately, the point is to come up with a system that protects the vulnerable, but allows the rest of us to keep on. Breaking the system won't help anyone. Spring was a good example what bad looks like.
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Old 09.10.2020, 20:07
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This ludicrous discussion on how "the vulnerable" should bear the cost of the "lockdown" somehow reminds me of the hypocrisy of people like Roger Koeppel, who blame "Fridays for Future" for being ungrateful to the elder generation yet then amid the pandemic essentially suggest the elderly should self-isolate or die.
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I think you are really making an effort to twist and misinterpret his view. I'm by no means his lawyer and with the risk of getting banned too and again, he's saying that if 100% of the population is going for a lockdown to protect the 10% or whatever the actual percentage is of vulnerable people is, then it's only fair that these 10% pay a substantially higher tax.

Now, do you actually understand WHY is he proposing this? To bring home the point that the vulnerable could be protected by staying at home on their own lockdown, but the rest of us can go on with our lives and most importantly, work, pay taxes, pay insurance, so that the system doesn't break up for everyone.
So who is going to take care of the 10% ? Are old ppl suppose to run care homes themselves? Are ppl who recieve care in their own homes no longer be able to obtain it?
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Old 09.10.2020, 21:02
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I think you are really making an effort to twist and misinterpret his view. I'm by no means his lawyer and with the risk of getting banned too and again, he's saying that if 100% of the population is going for a lockdown to protect the 10% or whatever the actual percentage is of vulnerable people is, then it's only fair that these 10% pay a substantially higher tax.

Now, do you actually understand WHY is he proposing this? To bring home the point that the vulnerable could be protected by staying at home on their own lockdown, but the rest of us can go on with our lives and most importantly, work, pay taxes, pay insurance, so that the system doesn't break up for everyone.
How am I twisting his words or misinterpreting him? This is what he had written:

"Personally I'd like to see the living, and the older living at that, pay substantial taxes for the cost of these lockdowns.

I don't see why the young/middle aged (say everyone below 60) should be burdened with even more debt and taxes to pay for a disease which would not have harmed them."

He is clearly expressing that he thinks older people should be financially punished for being vulnerable by having to pay "substantial taxes." i.e. Increase THEIR taxes since they are the vulnerable ones. I didn't twist or misinterpret a thing, but nice try.

Also, one of the flaws in your line of reasoning is that it's not only the elderly who are vulnerable. Should we also demand that everyone who has high blood pressure (which is roughly half of the adult population), diabetes or an auto-immune disorder and/or is pregnant stay home and have to pay more taxes? So yeah. Let's make them all stay home AND have to pay more taxes. Seriously, he really didn't think that through very well.
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Old 09.10.2020, 21:17
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How am I twisting his words or misinterpreting him?
Did you REALLY READ what I wrote or you just jumped on the first statement? Try harder, if you fail to understand again, I'll clarify for the folk with reading comprehension issues. Chill, it's Friday
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Old 09.10.2020, 22:16
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Did you REALLY READ what I wrote or you just jumped on the first statement? Try harder, if you fail to understand again, I'll clarify for the folk with reading comprehension issues.
Yes, I did read what you wrote. But nowhere did Codpeace phrase it as being a theoretical proposition in terms of if we go into lockdown again, and if he did, please show me where exactly. This is what Codpeace had written:

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How do YOU propose we pay off the massive, and unjustified, costs of the lockdown?

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I am quite "chill," thank you. But I do have a raging headache.

Certainly with no disrespect to the people here who I am able to have calm, intelligent, rational and mature conversations with... Sometimes this forum does remind me of why I don't walk into flat earth conventions and attempt to engage in rational conversations.
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Not to deviate from the current divisive discussion, but what the heck, why not?

So, I had a very amusing conversation with a really nice guy from the COVID Zurich hotline back in July. When I asked why people from "high risk" countries were being penalized and quarantined when the greatest increase in infection rate in Zurich at least - was/is from the 18-30 year olds - and yet night clubs and after hours bars were/are still open in Zurich. Why exactly?? And he conceded and laughed and said that it made zero sense to him as well...

I think - for the most part- Switzerland has handled this crisis well. But they still need work in terms of consistency. You cannot penalize and quarantine those arriving from high risk countries and let 18-30 year olds run amok in nightclubs, bars, after hours clubs etc... Especially, when that age group represents the largest increase in terms of infections.

But of course, those 18-30 year olds show mild/minimal symptoms. So that is fine in so far as they don't visit Grandma or Grandpa. Again, I don't get it!

If this virus was so lethal, why would the Swiss government NOT close nightclubs/after hours clubs and bars?
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If this virus was so lethal, why would the Swiss government NOT close nightclubs/after hours clubs and bars?
Maybe because they're prioritizing the economy over people's health and the spread of the virus?
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Very little media coverage on this, but "The Great Barrington Declaration" was recently published and signed by some notable epidemiologists, doctors and scientists. Here is a link to their declaration:

https://gbdeclaration.org
Oh look. Seems a large proportion of the signatures are fake.

Dr Johnny Bananas? Dr Cominic Dummings?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-bananas-covid
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Maybe because they're prioritizing the economy over people's health and the spread of the virus?
Because this virus is that lethal? The WHO made a major blunder the other day (also not widely reported). I don't usually quote from Zero Hedge as, frankly, the website is full of conspiracy theories. But my OH was sent an email link to a story and here is the link:

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/di...comment_stream

If the WHO's estimates/numbers are correct (and let's be honest here, who can believe the WHO at this point - given they didn't do their own math!), the data they show, it is .14 for Covid in terms of fatalities. The same as the flu - go figure. Hmmm indeed!
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Oh look. Seems a large proportion of the signatures are fake.

Dr Johnny Bananas? Dr Cominic Dummings?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-bananas-covid
Please reread your article as from what I read in your link, 118 homeopaths/alternative therapists signed this document out of thousands?

And the others who signed have no weight - despite their credentials?
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Old 09.10.2020, 23:54
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The Innerschwyz is in shock at its high infection rates. Stories are coming out on where some hot spots were and almost everyone knows someone who's been infected. We're getting ready for some stricter safety regulations within the next week. Who knows... after getting together with some local friends tonight, I may be now infected too. It's getting to the point that it's no longer a question of 'if' but 'when'.
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I think you are really making an effort to twist and misinterpret his view. I'm by no means his lawyer and with the risk of getting banned too and again, he's saying that if 100% of the population is going for a lockdown to protect the 10% or whatever the actual percentage is of vulnerable people is, then it's only fair that these 10% pay a substantially higher tax.

Now, do you actually understand WHY is he proposing this? To bring home the point that the vulnerable could be protected by staying at home on their own lockdown, but the rest of us can go on with our lives and most importantly, work, pay taxes, pay insurance, so that the system doesn't break up for everyone.
Sure
People who are sick should pay their own hospital bills
People who have auto accidents should pay for the repairs and other damages themselves
People whose houses burn down should pay for the repairs and other damages themselves

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Because this virus is that lethal? The WHO made a major blunder the other day (also not widely reported). I don't usually quote from Zero Hedge as, frankly, the website is full of conspiracy theories. But my OH was sent an email link to a story and here is the link:

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/di...comment_stream

If the WHO's estimates/numbers are correct (and let's be honest here, who can believe the WHO at this point - given they didn't do their own math!), the data they show, it is .14 for COVID in terms of fatalities. The same as the flu - go figure. Hmmm indeed!
US COVID-19 deaths this year are more than the last five flu seasons combined.
So clearly COVID-19 is less dangerous than flu

The flaw in your post is that COVID-19 is far more infectious than flu so many more people are infected therefore so many more die.
Fatality percentages are not relevant.
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The Innerschwyz is in shock at its high infection rates. Stories are coming out on where some hot spots were and almost everyone knows someone who's been infected. We're getting ready for some stricter safety regulations within the next week. Who knows... after getting together with some local friends tonight, I may be now infected too. It's getting to the point that it's no longer a question of 'if' but 'when'.
That bad?

This indoors Jodel thing was clearly asking for trouble, like you also see in Neuchatel today with the choir situation. Amazing how people let their guards down at these events, and how now presumably the Jodelei infected nursing home residents.

But rest assured, the posters are now orange to send a signal to the people
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Very assured, on the Vaud website its still blue
https://www.vd.ch/
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In Geneva, it will be necessary to announce to the authorities to organize a party or a meal at home, whose number of guests exceeds a certain threshold, reveals the RTS. The number of people and the modalities of application will be communicated on Wednesday by the local government.

https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/gene...annoncees.html

That goes a little to far in my opinion.
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