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Very assured, on the Vaud website its still blue
https://www.vd.ch/
And according to 20 Minuten, we are the canton with the second highest infection rate in the country. Geneva wins hands down. We even beat Vaud, not that it's a race and winning means victory.

https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-za...k-803083076953
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Old 10.10.2020, 01:29
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And according to 20 Minuten, we are the canton with the second highest infection rate in the country. Geneva wins hands down. We even beat Vaud, not that it's a race and winning means victory.

https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-za...k-803083076953
It is also only 150k people, so 200 cases get you to 130 per 100k right away. I somehow understand the hesitation to apply stricter rules in general when you can link most of the spread to one or twp clusters. But seriously, a jodel musical indoors with some bloody hand sanitizer?
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Old 10.10.2020, 01:35
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In Geneva, it will be necessary to announce to the authorities to organize a party or a meal at home, whose number of guests exceeds a certain threshold, reveals the RTS. The number of people and the modalities of application will be communicated on Wednesday by the local government.

https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/gene...annoncees.html

That goes a little to far in my opinion.
I hear the canton is also going to send someone to your place to monitor the event. This person will require the same treatment in terms of food and wine as all other guest, and will send pictures to the Kantonsarzt every five minutes.
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But seriously, a jodel musical indoors with some bloody hand sanitizer?
And ppl call us french speaking souls on the other side of the rösti graben weird
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I hear the canton is also going to send someone to your place to monitor the event. This person will require the same treatment in terms of food and wine as all other guest, and will send pictures to the Kantonsarzt every five minutes.
Reminds me of the movie Die Schweizermacher...
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Old 10.10.2020, 01:40
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Because this virus is that lethal? The WHO made a major blunder the other day (also not widely reported). I don't usually quote from Zero Hedge as, frankly, the website is full of conspiracy theories. But my OH was sent an email link to a story and here is the link:

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/di...comment_stream

If the WHO's estimates/numbers are correct (and let's be honest here, who can believe the WHO at this point - given they didn't do their own math!), the data they show, it is .14 for Covid in terms of fatalities. The same as the flu - go figure. Hmmm indeed!
Well, we take the seasonal flu pretty seriously, too. That's why people get flu shots and why their insurance often covers it. There is no "flu shot" for COVID.

Not sure if you've ever had pneumonia, but it's not exactly something you should welcome with open arms.
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Old 10.10.2020, 01:59
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Increasing new cases yet no hospitalizations like before. No lockdown this time!




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So, I had a very amusing conversation with a really nice guy from the COVID Zurich hotline back in July. When I asked why people from "high risk" countries were being penalized and quarantined when the greatest increase in infection rate in Zurich at least - was/is from the 18-30 year olds - and yet night clubs and after hours bars were/are still open in Zurich. Why exactly?? And he conceded and laughed and said that it made zero sense to him as well...

I think - for the most part- Switzerland has handled this crisis well. But they still need work in terms of consistency. You cannot penalize and quarantine those arriving from high risk countries and let 18-30 year olds run amok in nightclubs, bars, after hours clubs etc... Especially, when that age group represents the largest increase in terms of infections.
There are some inconsistencies here like in other countries and frankly I didn't expect this. Maybe the Swiss are afraid that youngsters are going to disregard some rules either way. People can be very selfish if they think it won't affect them very badly anyway, which is actually not true because the virus is unpredictable and there were fatal cases even among these age groups.
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In Geneva, it will be necessary to announce to the authorities to organize a party or a meal at home, whose number of guests exceeds a certain threshold, reveals the RTS. The number of people and the modalities of application will be communicated on Wednesday by the local government.

https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/gene...annoncees.html

That goes a little to far in my opinion.
Why do you think it goes too far? If you have a large dinner with say more than 20 people (what the heck, is it wedding? baptise party? or are people really that inconsiderate) is already a corona hot spot. It goes too far because some folks don't have common sense.

We have been visiting only with people whom we're very close to and even so, we had our meals and talks mostly on the terrace or in the garden, never inside for too long. Of course the weather was nice so far, but during the cold season we're going to find other ways to meet each other. We adapt our activities along the way and as long as needed, we are careful not necessarily for us because we know we're healthy and relatively young and fit, but for the others we might indirectly affect. We can't possibly know the medical history and other details about each people we have met or are going to meet. I take it like this - my freedom ends when your risks begin. As simple as that.

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Old 10.10.2020, 09:09
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And according to 20 Minuten, we are the canton with the second highest infection rate in the country. Geneva wins hands down. We even beat Vaud, not that it's a race and winning means victory.

https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-za...k-803083076953
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Old 10.10.2020, 09:42
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That bad?

This indoors Jodel thing was clearly asking for trouble, like you also see in Neuchatel today with the choir situation. Amazing how people let their guards down at these events, and how now presumably the Jodelei infected nursing home residents.

But rest assured, the posters are now orange to send a signal to the people
Yep, the dramatic increase in numbers in Neuchâtel looks quite scary until you look closely and realise that 90% of them stemmed from three sources (an old folks home, an elderly unit at the psychiatric hospital and a choir practice.)

We already have the obligation to fill out a form and announce any gathering of 30 or more here, maybe they’ll tighten that up a bit now.
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Please reread your article as from what I read in your link, 118 homeopaths/alternative therapists signed this document out of thousands?

And the others who signed have no weight - despite their credentials?
Actually that's NOT what it says.

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The Great Barrington declaration, which was said to have been signed by more than 15,000 scientists and medical practitioners around the world, was found by Sky News to contain numerous false names, as well as those of several homeopaths.

Others listed include a resident at the “university of your mum” and another supposed specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena.

Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.

The declaration drew widespread attention this week when it called for an easing of lockdown measures, allowing most people to return to normal life while protecting the most vulnerable.
So the 118 is only the number of homeopaths and khoomii singing experts, NOT the number of false names. Which Sky describe as "numerous".

The signatures to the document are all self-declared. There has been no control if these people are what they claim.
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Why do you think it goes too far? If you have a large dinner with say more than 20 people (what the heck, is it wedding? baptise party? or are people really that inconsiderate) is already a corona hot spot. It goes too far because some folks don't have common sense.

We have been visiting only with people whom we're very close to and even so, we had our meals and talks mostly on the terrace or in the garden, never inside for too long. Of course the weather was nice so far, but during the cold season we're going to find other ways to meet each other. We adapt our activities along the way and as long as needed, we are careful not necessarily for us because we know we're healthy and relatively young and fit, but for the others we might indirectly affect. We can't possibly know the medical history and other details about each people we have met or are going to meet. I take it like this - my freedom ends when your risks begin. As simple as that.
But where do we draw the line? This is a privacy issue for me.
What is done with the data? Who has access? How will it be used? How long will it be stored? Etc...
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Re: Coronavirus

Some scientists suggests to inform not only "positive" or "negative" after PCR tests but also CT number, which indicates viral load (not accurate but anyway)
CT is a number of loops during the test, needed to detect the virus. The higher number the viral load is lower. CT after certain threshold might be considered as "non-contagious"
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Some scientists suggests to inform not only "positive" or "negative" after PCR tests but also CT number, which indicates viral load (not accurate but anyway)
CT is a number of loops during the test, needed to detect the virus. The higher number the viral load is lower. CT after certain threshold might be considered as "non-contagious"

That seems like a very reasonable proposition.
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A small study on longer term effects carried out in Lausanne indicates that around 30% of patients are still suffering effects two months after infection.
Whilst two months can’t really be considered as long term it is still a hell of a long time to be debilitated for.

https://lenews.ch/2020/10/09/coronav...9_bhlQBdh-fxbY
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I see Sweden looks like it is getting its second wave. Infection rates are similar to Denmark, about twice Finland and about four times Norway, relative to population.

All you Sweden fans out there care to explain that?
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All you Sweden fans out there care to explain that?
Not a Sweden fan but looks like Europe is implementing an unintentional herd immunity strategy.

Have a look at the graph here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...opment-europe/

How would that look in one month from now?
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Yep, the dramatic increase in numbers in Neuchâtel looks quite scary until you look closely and realise that 90% of them stemmed from three sources (an old folks home, an elderly unit at the psychiatric hospital and a choir practice.)

That's what I thought as well. But I think we are making a mistake here. If indeed 80% of infections are caused by 20% of infectious persons, then these events are how the virus spreads! These are not the exception from the rule. So we cannot ignore this and say "ah, it was only event x and y, but overall not much happens".
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Not a Sweden fan but looks like Europe is implementing an unintentional herd immunity strategy.

Have a look at the graph here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...opment-europe/

How would that look in one month from now?
Nuts. And hospitals in some places start looking shit.

So realistically, we will see indoor mask requirements everywhere in CH soon, home office recommendation by BAG and empty restaurants, cinemas etc. (I would guess by choice rather than law, but doesn't matter for the owners).
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