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Maybe because they have a lot of money in the stock market.
If anything Gates et al have much to gain with the stock market...
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Old 12.10.2020, 00:43
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Doubt it but nice try...
You think that "acclaimed scientists, virologists and epidemiologists" in the US don't have money in the stock market?
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You think that "acclaimed scientists, virologists and epidemiologists" in the US don't have money in the stock market?
If you read the declaration, it is not just those esteemed scientists, virologists and epidemiologists in the US. Have you taken the time to read the declaration?

If so you will note that Dr Gupta is from the UK. Here is synopsis of the main authors:

The signatories include: “Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University and a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations, Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases, and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.”
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Old 12.10.2020, 00:56
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Given their background and credentials, I think their views should be taken into account.
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Old 12.10.2020, 02:17
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That is not my point Marton. Why would acclaimed scientists, virologists and epidemiologists sign onto something to which they did not believe? Why would they risk their reputations exactly?
Because they disagree with the vast majority of their contemporaries and peers. It's as simple as that.

You can keep posting about this all you like. It's so last weeks news as far as UK tv media is concerned, and largely discredited.

I really don't understand why you would expect any profession to have a unanimous conclusion. You could ask every orchestra conductor which composer is the best and get a variety of different answers. It doesn't mean they're any less capable in their work. It doesn't mean they're taking a backhander. It doesn't mean they're corrupt. It simply means that they hold a minority opinion within their respective fields of expertise. Nothing more.
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Old 12.10.2020, 02:23
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If so you will note that Dr Gupta is from the UK.
She was on BBC Question Time 2 weeks ago. She's making her presence and opinions very much felt and heard. Nobody's being silenced.
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Old 12.10.2020, 09:50
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Because they disagree with the vast majority of their contemporaries and peers. It's as simple as that.

You can keep posting about this all you like. It's so last weeks news as far as UK tv media is concerned, and largely discredited.

I really don't understand why you would expect any profession to have a unanimous conclusion. You could ask every orchestra conductor which composer is the best and get a variety of different answers. It doesn't mean they're any less capable in their work. It doesn't mean they're taking a backhander. It doesn't mean they're corrupt. It simply means that they hold a minority opinion within their respective fields of expertise. Nothing more.
Much of the news in last weeks UK media was about how waiting lists for routine operations is now over a year, cancer referrals are down 15% and 15.3 million on NHS waiting lists.

Any contentious doctor should be signing up to this. Obviously it's not helping to raise awareness of the declaration when big tech firms keep on shadow banning it!

https://www.aier.org/article/reddits...n-declaration/
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Old 12.10.2020, 10:16
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Much of the news in last weeks UK media was about how waiting lists for routine operations is now over a year, cancer referrals are down 15% and 15.3 million on NHS waiting lists.
Given that none of those are currently stopped, perhaps it's because capacity is being occupied by immediately urgent Covid patients.

There is a finite healthcare capacity it's pretty simple to realise that if you have more Covid cases there will be less capacity for other things.
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Old 12.10.2020, 10:26
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Maybe some of the reason could also be due to people's vitamin D levels usually increasing in the warmer months due to exposure to sunlight. If we begin to see an increase in death rates over the next few months, it could be partly due to a drop in people's vitamin D levels (which usually begins to happen in October).

More evidence on vitamin D deficiency and death rates from COVID-19

"Physicians at the Complete Med Care clinic in Dallas, Texas, have conducted a study showing that the prevalence of severe vitamin D deficiency is strongly correlated with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) mortality rate in European countries."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...-COVID-19.aspx
And indeed, just a day later here is a recommendation by Swiss nutritionists for supplementary Vits C and D as well as zinc.

http://www.sge-ssn.ch/media/Nutritio...tzerland-1.pdf
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Given that none of those are currently stopped, perhaps it's because capacity is being occupied by immediately urgent Covid patients.

There is a finite healthcare capacity it's pretty simple to realise that if you have more Covid cases there will be less capacity for other things.

That's not entirely true and mainly valid for treatments that have some overlap with Covid-treatments. For example, hospitals in Switzerland applied for "kurzarbeit" during the Corona-peak, meaning that a lot of employees were swamped with work while others had nothing to do because of the restrictions.
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That's not entirely true and mainly valid for treatments that have some overlap with Covid-treatments. For example, hospitals in Switzerland applied for "kurzarbeit" during the Corona-peak, meaning that a lot of employees were swamped with work while others had nothing to do because of the restrictions.
...I was answering a point made about the UK.
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Given that none of those are currently stopped, perhaps it's because capacity is being occupied by immediately urgent Covid patients.

There is a finite healthcare capacity it's pretty simple to realise that if you have more Covid cases there will be less capacity for other things.
Covid hospitalisations are still way down and what was experienced in the spring, and even back then hospitals were never at capacity (Nightingale hospitals weren't required, ICU capacity only ever reached about 75% I recall, medical staff making Tiktok videos in empty wards).
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The situation is probably the same in most countries. For example, my mother had to wait months for an appointment for a knee issue because of the Covid backlog.
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Old 12.10.2020, 11:33
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The situation is probably the same in most countries. For example, my mother had to wait months for an appointment for a knee issue because of the Covid backlog.
I am having a CT scan this afternoon should have been in April.
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I am having a CT scan this afternoon should have been in April.
In CH? My wife's seeing doctors for two issues at the moment, one of which is a knee problem, and appointments don't seem to have been badly affected.

Saw the hospital (Bethesda, Basel) doctor last week, appt for scan made for the week after next.
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Am I the only one still wondering about the true source of this amazing virus?
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I got appointment straight away in ZH too. The only delay was the Doc going on holiday again. He seems to be always on holiday
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In CH? My wife's seeing doctors for two issues at the moment, one of which is a knee problem, and appointments don't seem to have been badly affected.

Saw the hospital (Bethesda, Basel) doctor last week, appt for scan made for the week after next.
I also got a hospital appointment as soon as the lockdown ended in May. Ironic when I called for the appointment they warned me of a Covid backlog which turned out to be about 1.5 weeks!

I think this actually shows the benefits of the Swiss health system over others. Firstly the high medical capacity available here, secondly how it is in the hospitals interest to get up and running as quickly as possible as they *need* to make money, this benefits the patients.
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I am having a CT scan this afternoon should have been in April.
Where? In UK? Switzerland? Malta? Czech R.? Why do you talk about UK as if everything that goes around there applies in CH too?

The long waiting lists that were normal in UK despite your famous NHS were never a reality in CH (or in other places). Before or after covid-19. And I didn't hear any Swiss bragging about their health care system.
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Where? In UK? Switzerland? Malta? Czech R.? Why do you talk about UK as if everything that goes around there applies in CH too?

The long waiting lists that were normal in UK despite your famous NHS were never a reality in CH (or in other places). Before or after covid-19. And I didn't hear any Swiss bragging about their health care system.
The only reason for the delay is all non urgent CT scans did not happen for 3-4 months. Most of the Hospital staff were sent home on reduced hours.

I was not talking about the UK, what led you to believe I was?
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