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Old 12.10.2020, 14:16
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Cases exploding, hospitalizations rising slowly, deaths at 1-2 per day. Not bad, hope it stays like that.
With some tests false positives & roughly 80% of positives have zero symptoms, I find the term 'case' misleading.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:22
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And indeed, just a day later here is a recommendation by Swiss nutritionists for supplementary Vits C and D as well as zinc.
The absorption of Vitamin C and zinc is massively better if it's from your diet rather than supplements. With the very notable exception of Vitamin D, I've seen the use of many other supplements often described as creating "very expensive urine". I'm saying that after decades of taking zinc daily throughout winter because I find it shortens the life cycle of colds and flu.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a7578961.html

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Old 12.10.2020, 14:23
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With some tests false positives
You keep harping on about this despite the fact that the number of false positives is and remains small. The chance of a false negative is much higher.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:29
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You keep harping on about this despite the fact that the number of false positives is and remains small. The chance of a false negative is much higher.
At least you agree the test is not accurate, even less accurate than I was implying.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:32
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With some tests false positives & roughly 80% of positives have zero symptoms, I find the term 'case' misleading.
Well, that's how the virus spreads among people, through cases. Hospitalizations and deaths started as a simple case. What is the misleading part in stating a causal relationship?

The numbers are there, no reason to panic, but also no reason to ignore them.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:33
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With some tests false positives & roughly 80% of positives have zero symptoms, I find the term 'case' misleading.
Given that tests aren’t usually carried out on people with zero symptoms in Switzerland unless they been in contact with known cases I don’t think there will be very many symptomless positives amongst those numbers.

False positives account for a very small number of cases.

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Given that tests aren’t usually carried out on people with zero symptoms unless they been in contact with known cases I don’t think there will be very many symptomless positives amongst those numbers.

False positives account for a very small number of cases.

Population of Malta 450,000
No of swab tests 282,095
No of positive tests 3844

Enough testing for 63% of the population with less than 1.4% of the tests being positive & under 1% of the population.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:42
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Population of Malta 450,000
No of swab tests 282,095
No of positive tests 3844

Enough testing for 63% of the population with less than 1.4% of the tests being positive & under 1% of the population.
We’re not talking about Malta here, those were the case numbers for Switzerland.
What happens in Malta has no relevance whatsoever to the Swiss numbers.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:43
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Most news regarding Covid in Switzerland can be found here:

https://twitter.com/BAG_OFSP_UFSP

https://twitter.com/CoronaEnglish
The Corona English twitter is awful. Just links copied and pasted from 20min or so, plus a daily update copy / paste of the numbers.

It doesn't offer any insight or analysis.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:44
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Indeed my 83 year old aunt went shopping 3 times a day in Nyon throughout. Shop keepers kept telling her she should stay at home, she took no notice as it only effects frail old people.
A lot of people assume they'd be fine... until they aren't. And no, it doesn't only affect "frail old people."

This is not intended to disrespect your aunt, but an 83-year old going shopping (quote) "3 times per day" during a pandemic is not exactly what I would consider wise. It is what I would consider careless.

It's interesting that you've voiced so much concern about not getting a second CT scan in order to close a medical file and yet have simultaneously expressed that you don't care how many people become severely ill or die from COVID. So I guess when it comes to your own medical needs, that should be prioritized. But when it comes to the medical needs of others, particularly people who require a ventilator in order to breathe, that's unimportant.

Once upon a time there was an anti-masker who became extremely ill after contracting COVID and then complained about a lack of available ICU beds.
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Am I the only one still wondering about the true source of this amazing virus?
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:47
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We’re not talking about Malta here, those were the case numbers for Switzerland.
What happens in Malta has no relevance whatsoever to the Swiss numbers.
Perhaps you would point out where I said the error in Swiss testing would be different to elsewhere?
If CH ramped up testing they too could have 98% negative results, it's a no's game based on testing criteria.
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Old 12.10.2020, 14:52
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It's interesting that you've voiced so much concern about not getting a second CT scan in order to close a medical file and yet have simultaneously expressed that you don't care how many people become severely ill or die from COVID. So I guess when it comes to your own medical needs, that should be prioritized. But when it comes to the medical needs of others, particularly people who require a ventilator in order to breathe, that's unimportant.
I expressed no concern whatsoever about the CT scan, just mentioned it as fact. I think it's a huge waste of time & resources. A similar thing happened when I was in Geneva & I went to HUG, no follow up scan or appointment of any sort.
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The Corona English twitter is awful. Just links copied and pasted from 20min or so, plus a daily update copy / paste of the numbers.

It doesn't offer any insight or analysis.
What insight or analysis are you looking for? Lenews.ch, swissinfo.ch and thelocal.ch all offer Swiss stories on Covid in English. Most of that is however just speculation and opinion (as it is across the World's press) as no one really knows which direction the pandemic will take.
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Old 12.10.2020, 15:03
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I expressed no concern whatsoever about the CT scan, just mentioned it as fact. I think it's a huge waste of time & resources. A similar thing happened when I was in Geneva & I went to HUG, no follow up scan or appointment of any sort.
Well, you had mentioned it in response and agreement to other posts about people not receiving normal medical care during lockdown. You certainly weren't phrasing it then as though you thought it wasn't a problem.
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Old 12.10.2020, 15:04
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The Corona English twitter is awful. Just links copied and pasted from 20min or so, plus a daily update copy / paste of the numbers.

It doesn't offer any insight or analysis.
Usually analysis by journalists is very bad. Much better to have only data and make judgements by oneself. The nice thing of internet is reading the insights of scientists and people in charge of public policy and no need to rely on the insights of TV talking heads.
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Perhaps you would point out where I said the error in Swiss testing would be different to elsewhere?
If CH ramped up testing they too could have 98% negative results, it's a no's game based on testing criteria.
And perhaps if you'd posted the Malta figures with some context of the point you were trying to make people would have understood why you thought they were relevant. As it was it wasn't at all clear what you were trying to imply, as you didn't state any conclusion you'd drawn from the numbers.

So on the one hand you seem to be expecting your readership to draw some sort of conclusions of their own from what you post, on the other you're getting shirty when they incorrectly guess what point you're trying to make.

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Every time I have slight runny nose or I sneeze, I start wondering if it is the start of something bad So far nothing has stuck around for more than a day, fingers crossed.

I have been taking a cocktail of supplements for many years so hope it is helping.
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Perhaps you would point out where I said the error in Swiss testing would be different to elsewhere?
If CH ramped up testing they too could have 98% negative results, it's a no's game based on testing criteria.
And what would be the point of that other than to waste money testing people for no reason?

You responded and quoted a post about Axa about cases in Switzerland and said 80% of positives have zero symptoms which would imply that you thought Switzerland tested symptomless people and that is not the case as a general rule.
The Malta figures were completely meaningless in a discussion about case numbers in Switzerland, especially without any explanation, as testing criteria are clearly completely different.
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And what would be the point of that other than to waste money testing people for no reason?

To check the actual prevalence of the virus To get a relationship between asymptomatic people with the virus vs sick people with the virus.

Regarding money, we are talking about a country who just voted to spend SIX BILLION on some flying toys
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