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Re: Coronavirus

Let's not forget it's not just humans being infected by this virus.

"Pets living with owners who are positive for Covid-19 are eight times more likely to be infected than their peers, according to a study called Covidac carried out in particular by the VetAgro Sup veterinary school, near Lyon (F).

The multidisciplinary team that carried out this work, bringing together veterinarians, virologists and doctors, "aimed to assess the intensity of the virus circulation among domestic animals", explains Vincent Legros, lecturer in infectious pathology.

To this end, “blood samples were taken from two groups of animals between May and June 2020,” he said, presenting the study to VetAgro, one of the four French national veterinary schools, located in Marcy-l'Etoile, in the Lyon suburbs.

The first group consisted of 47 animals (13 dogs and 34 cats), considered to be at high risk because they came from an outbreak in which at least one human Covid-19 case had been diagnosed. The second, at moderate risk, included 28 animals (16 cats and 22 dogs) whose owner status was unknown.

Among the moderate-risk animals, only one cat exhibited antibodies. On the other hand, in the high-risk group, more than 20% of the animals were found to be positive, "which suggests a much greater viral circulation than expected", notes the study.

This serological survey does not make it possible to identify the origin of their contamination, "but the fact that the risk for a domestic carnivore to be infected is 8.1 times higher if it resides in a person positive for Covid-19 constitutes a strong argument for the human origin of their infection ”, according to this work.

Risk still to be assessed
Pending more precise knowledge, "we recommend that pets are not put in contact with people infected with Covid-19", advises the study.

The question of the potential role of companion animals has been the subject of attention since the emergence of the Covid at the end of 2019, due to its probable animal origin, but also the existence of related coronaviruses already circulating in domestic animals.

On the other hand, the absence of risk associated with the latter quickly gained consensus, even if some (in particular cats) could transmit the virus in the laboratory to their congeners and that infected animals were sporadically identified in Hong Kong, in Belgium, then in other countries.

Future work will aim to assess the risk associated with infected domestic animals, in particular through larger scale serological analyzes.

The participants in Covidac, VetAgro Sup, the Montpellier Institute for Development Research, the Besançon Regional University Hospital Center, the Pasteur Institute and the International Center for Infectious Disease Research. The results are available on the BioRXiv prepublication platform."

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Re: Coronavirus

A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12...PAquhmZ9L2Y9Bw
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Old 13.10.2020, 17:27
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Re: Coronavirus

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Britain is back where it was in March as hospitals fill up with Covid-19 patients, the deputy chief medical officer for England has warned.

Jonathan Van-Tam gave what was described as a “punchy” briefing to MPs today in which he said that intensive care units in the northwest could be full within three weeks.
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Old 13.10.2020, 17:32
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Re: Coronavirus

I have to say, one of the benefits of the pandemic is the hordes of Chinese tourists are notably absent. It's nice to be able to walk around Luzern without getting hit by a selfie stick. I reckon the Swans feel the same way.
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Old 13.10.2020, 17:48
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A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.
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. Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with
negative SARS-CoV-2 test results.
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Efforts to reduce possible exposures where mask use and social distancing are difficult to maintain, such as when eating and drinking, should be considered to protect customers, employees, and communities
So actually the report did not claim masks are not effective, in fact, the opposite, that extra precautions should be taken in circumstances where mask wearing is not possible, like eating and drinking.
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Old 13.10.2020, 18:46
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Re: Coronavirus

LET'S GO OUT TO EAT 2020
1. Arrive at restaurant, fish your three month old single-use surgical mask out of car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three month old single-use surgical mask.
MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGED!!!
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party of three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's ok, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGED!!!
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
7.1. The same hands she picks up glasses from other tables that other people have drank from.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Put on your magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
Gotta be the biggest pi** take ever
Stay Safe people stay at home where possible
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Old 13.10.2020, 18:58
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LET'S GO OUT TO EAT 2020
1. Arrive at restaurant, fish your three month old single-use surgical mask out of car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three month old single-use surgical mask.
MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGED!!!
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party of three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's ok, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGED!!!
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
7.1. The same hands she picks up glasses from other tables that other people have drank from.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Put on your magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
Gotta be the biggest pi** take ever
Stay Safe people stay at home where possible
It's funny because it's true. Mask wearing seems to have become an extension signaling ones virtue. Numbers exploding all over Europe yet we're all going through the pantomime of wearing a mask and pretending it's having an effect. Oh sorry, it's "protecting others"
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Old 13.10.2020, 19:02
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Gotta be the biggest pi** take ever
Stay Safe people stay at home where possible
You missed the part where you get food served which you could have made at home better. In the last 6 months I was actually eating out once. All of my other sit-down restaurant visits were because my own hob was more than 100 km away. In addition to that I did some take outs.
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Re: Coronavirus

Interesting anecdote... today the first person that I actually know told me that they contracted covid around a week ago. The person is in their thirties, fit and active.

They told me this is how the illness manifested:

Days 1-3: Severe headaches, body aches and fatigue.
Day 4: Fever and notable breathing issues. Lost sense of taste and smell.
Day 5: Body rash came from nowhere.
Day 6 and 7: Symptoms abated and gradually felt better, but very freaked out by the experience.

The person summarized by saying it was a horrible experience and that they admit that they didn't take it seriously before catching it. Now they are going to do everything they reasonably can to avoid getting it again. Hopefully there will be no short-term or longer-term breathing issues that stop them from doing anything.

No way do I want to go through that crap and risk it turning out worse.
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LET'S GO OUT TO EAT 2020
1. Arrive at restaurant, fish your three month old single-use surgical mask out of car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three month old single-use surgical mask.
MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGED!!!
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party of three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's ok, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGED!!!
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
7.1. The same hands she picks up glasses from other tables that other people have drank from.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Put on your magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
Gotta be the biggest pi** take ever
Stay Safe people stay at home where possible
Thanks, entertaining.

While I do believe that masks can have a positive effect in indoor settings, these rules for restaurants are an absolute joke.
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Old 13.10.2020, 19:41
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While I do believe that masks can have a positive effect in indoor settings, these rules for restaurants are an absolute joke.
Indeed, I have eaten out in excess of 100 times since 8 May, when France allowed restaurants to re-open. I generally carry my mask in Hotels & restaurants so look as if I am about to put it on if challenged. Went out to a Rothschilds Champagne dinner on Friday, 2 of my table have never even owned a mask & show an exemption card if challenged
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Old 13.10.2020, 19:58
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LET'S GO OUT TO EAT 2020
1. Arrive at restaurant, fish your three month old single-use surgical mask out of car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three month old single-use surgical mask.
MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGED!!!
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party of three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's ok, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGED!!!
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
7.1. The same hands she picks up glasses from other tables that other people have drank from.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Put on your magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
Gotta be the biggest pi** take ever
Stay Safe people stay at home where possible
Exactly why I have not been inside a restaurant since February.
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Old 13.10.2020, 19:59
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LET'S GO OUT TO EAT 2020
1. Arrive at restaurant, fish your three month old single-use surgical mask out of car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three month old single-use surgical mask.
MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGED!!!
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party of three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's ok, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGED!!!
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
7.1. The same hands she picks up glasses from other tables that other people have drank from.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Put on your magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
Gotta be the biggest pi** take ever
Stay Safe people stay at home where possible

Funny but add list of cantons where this is only fiction
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Old 13.10.2020, 21:05
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We have to wear masks even on outside resto terraces, when not seated. Not sure if it is cantonal or only in Lausanne. Ikea yesterday announced their resto is only a take-away, when I was there. Things are getting even stricter here, hope it works. Subways seem a tad less packed recently again, but that may be just because of the fall break.
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Old 13.10.2020, 21:15
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Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte on Tuesday announced a series of additional measures in an effort to contain skyrocketing coronavirus infections.

Here are some of those new measures:
  • All restaurants and bars must close as of 10 p.m. Wednesday, including for outside dining, except for takeout.
  • No alcohol or soft drug retail sales will be allowed between 8 p.m. and 7 a.m.
  • No carrying or consumption of alcohol or soft drugs in any public space is allowed between 8 p.m. and 7 a.m.
  • All non-life-sustaining retail stores must close by 8 p.m.
  • Face coverings must be worn in all indoor public spaces
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Old 13.10.2020, 22:23
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Let's not forget it's not just humans being infected by this virus.

"Pets living with owners who are positive for Covid-19 are eight times more likely to be infected than their peers, according to a study called Covidac carried out in particular by the VetAgro Sup veterinary school, near Lyon (F).

The multidisciplinary team that carried out this work, bringing together veterinarians, virologists and doctors, "aimed to assess the intensity of the virus circulation among domestic animals", explains Vincent Legros, lecturer in infectious pathology.

To this end, “blood samples were taken from two groups of animals between May and June 2020,” he said, presenting the study to VetAgro, one of the four French national veterinary schools, located in Marcy-l'Etoile, in the Lyon suburbs.

The first group consisted of 47 animals (13 dogs and 34 cats), considered to be at high risk because they came from an outbreak in which at least one human Covid-19 case had been diagnosed. The second, at moderate risk, included 28 animals (16 cats and 22 dogs) whose owner status was unknown.

Among the moderate-risk animals, only one cat exhibited antibodies. On the other hand, in the high-risk group, more than 20% of the animals were found to be positive, "which suggests a much greater viral circulation than expected", notes the study.

This serological survey does not make it possible to identify the origin of their contamination, "but the fact that the risk for a domestic carnivore to be infected is 8.1 times higher if it resides in a person positive for Covid-19 constitutes a strong argument for the human origin of their infection ”, according to this work.

Risk still to be assessed
Pending more precise knowledge, "we recommend that pets are not put in contact with people infected with Covid-19", advises the study.

The question of the potential role of companion animals has been the subject of attention since the emergence of the Covid at the end of 2019, due to its probable animal origin, but also the existence of related coronaviruses already circulating in domestic animals.

On the other hand, the absence of risk associated with the latter quickly gained consensus, even if some (in particular cats) could transmit the virus in the laboratory to their congeners and that infected animals were sporadically identified in Hong Kong, in Belgium, then in other countries.

Future work will aim to assess the risk associated with infected domestic animals, in particular through larger scale serological analyzes.

The participants in Covidac, VetAgro Sup, the Montpellier Institute for Development Research, the Besançon Regional University Hospital Center, the Pasteur Institute and the International Center for Infectious Disease Research. The results are available on the BioRXiv prepublication platform."

https://www.bluewin.ch/fr/infos/fait...id-449181.html
Also for farmed animals.
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The Danish government has ordered mink farms to cull over 1 million animals due to reported outbreaks of coronavirus among the species, prized for its fur.

The outbreak among the mink population was detected in late June after a COVID-19 patient was linked to a mink farm in North Jutland, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Foreign Agricultural Service said in a report.

As of this month, mink on around 60 farms in North Jutland have tested positive for coronavirus.
With all the anti fur coat protests what do they do with so many mink?
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A statistically irrelevant case, but people tend to extract anything as long as it supports their outlook...
You didn't bother reading the story and/or understand the implications then?

The point here is that the patient was infected by a strain of covid sufficiently distinct from his first infection that his immunity could not stop it. If the virus has mutated that far there will never be herd immunity.

That is even without the probability that immunity will fade after a few months.

Yes only one case so far. But with disturbing implications.
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You didn't bother reading the story and/or understand the implications then?

The point here is that the patient was infected by a strain of covid sufficiently distinct from his first infection that his immunity could not stop it. If the virus has mutated that far there will never be herd immunity.

That is without the probability that immunity will fade after a few months.

Yes only one case so far. But with disturbing implications.
Exactly why there is no herd immunity against flu, the virus constantly mutates.
Typically coronaviruses mutate slowly which gives the hope for herd immunity but only time will tell.
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The state of emergency continues back in Czech Rep, measures adapted - all schools and unies online only, all theaters and sport venues, social and culture life stopped. But the economy is going on and no lockdown. Only up to 6 people allowed to meet (but people are discouraged to do so), restos only take-aways. Next three weeks are going to be tough. 7000 medicine students and 10000 other universities students are being dispatched to covid testing centers. 10000 new hospital beds are being prepared. Medical staff's overtime is amounting to another full time job. I am thinking about them every second. Secretary of Health made a very rational but still moving and personal speech tonight, he apologized for the draconian measures and promised to relieve them asap. Primaries already reopening in 2wks. Vibes to CZ.

They went from 1200 cases per day to 8600 last Friday in a few days only, 10 or so.
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Mr Wishes said Switzerland is at at 50% testing capacity right now, so they want to try and limit tests a little bit to ensure they can process all of them and get results quickly. I'm not sure if this info was from the BAG site or the press conference.

It appears it's going to be like in the spring - people with symptoms will be the main ones getting tests, and those are more likely to be positive than random samples of the population.
I suppose you're talking about the big hospitals where you could see people queueing outside in front of the special testing tents, but if you want to be tested without much fuss there are also a few smaller private clinics/labs where you don't need too many explanations. I'm not sure the insurance will cover the cost though. (for e.g. if you don't have symptoms or you haven't been in contact with someone which was confirmed infected)

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