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The chair of Czech chamber of doctors has asked all Czech doctors practicing medicine abroad to come back home, at least temporarily.
ay, complicate issue.

Thinking about some type of universal justice and solidarity to all humans, shows concern for others. Patriotism also shows concern for others, a special concern for compatriots over the rest of humans. I'd say there's nothing morally wrong as long as doctors keep helping people they're free to decide who and where they want to help.

I think this is more or less the present case. Doctors who believe in impartiality already work for the Red Cross and Doctor without Borders. Doctors with a sense of patriotism may prefer to stay at home. Between those extremes there should be a majority that has never stopped to think about the issue because favorable circumstances (no war, no epidemics) don't force them to.

It would be interesting to know what someone working for Doctors without Borders feels today? My guess is they left home believing someone else could help family, friends and loved ones in case of need. If that's not the case due to the health system being overrun by the epidemic, what's the moral thing to do? The Red Cross has an easy answer: help the ones who need it more. But that leads to another question: who needs the help more?
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Old 15.10.2020, 19:29
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The chair of Czech chamber of doctors has asked all Czech doctors practicing medicine abroad to come back home, at least temporarily.
Also seems a bit odd in the context of coronavirus - the big concern seems to be lack of ITU beds and corresponding nurses. With people avoiding hospitals and anywhere with sick people where possible, lack of doctors seems relatively unlikely.
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Old 15.10.2020, 21:21
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I am usually a fan of federalism, but now with half of CH on the German (federal) risk/quarantine list, it becomes a bit annoying having to check the state rules in Germany. Quarantine, no quarantine if negative test, compulsory test, ...

And no one will be able to admin all this.
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Old 15.10.2020, 21:46
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The Innerschwyzer locals are getting restless. So many are voicing their frustration with the canton's government for not having the courage to impose stricter measures. In fact, many citizens are now ashamed of their spineless politicians.

In the meantime, infections are rising and people are becoming extremely nervous and frustrated that any mask policies are being decided on a company or individual level. People want the federal government to step in and issue general mask policies for all of Switzerland.
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:03
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I will leave just leave this here.....


On this, I looked up the latest BAG stats. In Switzerland, as of today, the age composition of Covid deaths is as follows:

Below 70: 10.9%
70 - 79: 20.0%
80+: 69.1%

Yes, this is not the same, not a calculation of average age - but don't pretend that deaths occur only on age 80+.

And the whole notion of "Covid prolongs your life" is just despicable.
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:03
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Also seems a bit odd in the context of coronavirus - the big concern seems to be lack of ITU beds and corresponding nurses. With people avoiding hospitals and anywhere with sick people where possible, lack of doctors seems relatively unlikely.
It is happening in Cz. Saxonia and Bavaria are going to take in some Czech patients, to return the favor that Czechs did for France in the 1st wave.

People were asked to wait with non-essential hospital care, yes. Still.
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:07
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The Innerschwyzer locals are getting restless. So many are voicing their frustration with the canton's government for not having the courage to impose stricter measures. In fact, many citizens are now ashamed of their spineless politicians.

In the meantime, infections are rising and people are becoming extremely nervous and frustrated that any mask policies are being decided on a company or individual level. People want the federal government to step in and issue general mask policies for all of Switzerland.
I can imagine. F---ing hell ...
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:19
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The Innerschwyzer locals are getting restless. So many are voicing their frustration with the canton's government for not having the courage to impose stricter measures. In fact, many citizens are now ashamed of their spineless politicians.

In the meantime, infections are rising and people are becoming extremely nervous and frustrated that any mask policies are being decided on a company or individual level. People want the federal government to step in and issue general mask policies for all of Switzerland.
How many wear masks in the supermarket?
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:20
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However what you and those thanking your post still apparently refuse to accept is that the real issue is to try to avoid completely overwhelming the health system. Switzerland just - only just - made it in April, at peak 98% of ICU beds were occupied. Hospitalisations are again heading sharply upwards, if nothing is done in just a few weeks we will again be in that situation.

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Neuchâtel has stated that there are currently no available ICU beds despite having increased the number from 6 to 10. They will add an extra two making a total if 12.
We took patients from France in spring, I can’t see that happening this time around.

They are going to announce new measures tomorrow to come into effect on Saturday. Case numbers have skyrocketed here over the past week.
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:21
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How many wear masks in the supermarket?
I've only gone shopping in my local Pronto this week but I noticed the clerks are now wearing masks. A friend told me about half the shoppers at Mythen Center were wearing masks.
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:23
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That’s interesting. Am fascinated by the response to this. Are these doctors supposed to give up their lives and livelihoods to practice voluntarily?
I'd do it if I was a medical doctor and my country gave me free and high quality education.
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:29
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The Innerschwyzer locals are getting restless. So many are voicing their frustration with the canton's government for not having the courage to impose stricter measures. In fact, many citizens are now ashamed of their spineless politicians.

In the meantime, infections are rising and people are becoming extremely nervous and frustrated that any mask policies are being decided on a company or individual level. People want the federal government to step in and issue general mask policies for all of Switzerland.
This is the great quandary that I have with the public and Covid. Most polling shows that people across Europe want more stringent measures put in place by their governments, probably because they're all scared stiff from the doom porn we're fed on a daily basis. AND YET, when research is actually carried out into people's behaviour, it turns out that the majority aren't even following the rules properly when they're imposed!

As an example most people in the UK would support a second lockdown according to recent polling (68% according to a YouGov poll yesterday). However research from King's College London found that 80% of people weren't following the rules for self isolation when they had Covid symptoms.

Many people our angry with their governments at the moment, but perhaps they need to take a harder look at themselves

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Old 15.10.2020, 22:50
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How many wear masks in the supermarket?
Maybe 20-25% in Seedamm today - which is about double from last week, so I call that progress.

Top tip: The 10 pack 'better' CE masks at Coop are 50% off this week.
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Old 15.10.2020, 22:56
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How many wear masks in the supermarket?
100% here.
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I'd do it if I was a medical doctor and my country gave me free and high quality education.
You mean if your country had paid for your high quality education in the past. Yeah, of course. Why do doctors leave CZ? More money elsewhere?

I‘m just curious as I see a lot of logistical issues in an established doctor going back to their native country.
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How many wear masks in the supermarket?
In Winterthur today, I saw one woman not wearing a mask in my local Coop. She kept looking around furtively.
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Old 15.10.2020, 23:13
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Sweden IS a success story.
Where Sweden failed in the past is in the protection of care homes, remove this to normalize the data and you see a very different picture (of the past).
The current picture, since July, is much better than the overall Covid picture with daily deaths consistently in the single digits and since August below 5. Sorry, I know it doesn't fit your outlook, but you'll have to face the fact that you're wrong and apologies for not using passive-aggressive comments like you do, but I haven't yet adjusted my writing style
And today, how is the "second wave" looking? Daily peaks higher than any day in June.

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Old 15.10.2020, 23:21
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What a clown Herr Berset and politicians in general. How about having conductors who throw non mask wearers off the bus? Would that require him running to his earlier legislation too? Journalists should ask more follow-up questions!
SBB and some of the city networks said very early on that they check people for train tickets and they're not police who can issue fines for non-transport-related things. The only thing they were going to do was ask people to wear a mask and if the person wouldn't, the inspector or driver could ask the person to get off at the next stop.

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The Innerschwyzer locals are getting restless. So many are voicing their frustration with the canton's government for not having the courage to impose stricter measures. In fact, many citizens are now ashamed of their spineless politicians.

In the meantime, infections are rising and people are becoming extremely nervous and frustrated that any mask policies are being decided on a company or individual level. People want the federal government to step in and issue general mask policies for all of Switzerland.
Perhaps some people need to look inward, as opposed to blaming someone else for their own irresponsible behavior. (not you, just in general)

Oops, I see Tony beat me to it!

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This is the great quandary that I have with the public and Covid. Most polling shows that people across Europe want more stringent measures put in place by their governments, probably because they're all scared stiff from the doom porn we're fed on a daily basis. AND YET, when research is actually carried out into people's behaviour, it turns out that the majority aren't even following the rules properly when they're imposed!...

Many people our angry with their governments at the moment, but perhaps they need to take a harder look at themselves
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Maybe 20-25% in Seedamm today - which is about double from last week, so I call that progress.

Top tip: The 10 pack 'better' CE masks at Coop are 50% off this week.
Picked up a box of 50 for 7.95 at Lidl today. Not as fancy as the Coop one but has a CE marking on the box.
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And today, how is the "second wave" looking? Daily peaks higher than any day in June.

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