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Old 16.10.2020, 18:27
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...has anyone seen what the sudden, dramatic increase in new cases is being attributed to?
I'm not sure anyone truly knows. I suspect it's several different factors coming together:
  • Covid fatigue leading to people not following recommendations
  • Increased socialization in general
  • Back to school
  • More employers requiring in-person attendance after the summer numbers were low
  • Increased numbers on public transport
  • colder weather
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Old 16.10.2020, 18:31
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The Schwyzer locals are still angry at their government. More and more people are wearing masks in the shops despite it being voluntary. Most people agree that the Bund (federal government) need to enforce a national Maskenpflicht (compulsory masks) since the local government refuses stubbornly to do so themselves. Hospital Schwyz's appeal made a huge impact on everyone who saw it.
We are probably up from 10% to 20% in the Aargau.
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Old 16.10.2020, 18:32
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Re: Coronavirus

Baden-Württemberg has today decided that Swiss shopping in the area continues to be allowed, with no quarantine or tests; such shoppers must not stay longer than 24 hours.

Edit, hopefully the Swiss will let us back in after shopping
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Looks like the BAG have actually had an effect - Bundesrat to meet on Sunday (why not today...?)

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/alarm-i...r-999879755646 (also on 20 minutes but the link is screwed)
what measures are likely to come out of this?
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Old 16.10.2020, 18:40
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I remember seeing that COVID is also considered an aerosol / airborne virus now (not just droplets), and I've read before that airborne viruses stick around in cold air longer and that that's one reason why people tend to catch viruses more in the colder weather.
it was always considered as aerosol, since its transmitting by small droplets of water (so, basically its still droplets).
and yes, viruses still cant fly
so question rather - what would keep aerosol cloud full of viruses in air while weather like this?
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Old 16.10.2020, 19:00
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So how are hospitalizations/deaths looking, look forward to your update.
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https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-s...bers-/45674308
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Old 16.10.2020, 19:07
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Re: Coronavirus

You do know Sweden and Switzerland are different countries?
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Old 16.10.2020, 19:11
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what measures are likely to come out of this?
They will hopefully formally announce what was recommended by Task Force and cantons today, i.e. indoor masks everywhere public and home office wherever possible. Plus I suppose some guidance on how may people can meet.

My employer has clearly not understood today's TF recommendation to be official and expects me in the office on Monday. There are a few more things that were communicated in this context which make me question the sanity of upper management, but this is different story.

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it was always considered as aerosol, since its transmitting by small droplets of water (so, basically its still droplets).
and yes, viruses still cant fly
so question rather - what would keep aerosol cloud full of viruses in air while weather like this?
You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Old 16.10.2020, 19:13
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it was always considered as aerosol, since its transmitting by small droplets of water (so, basically its still droplets).
and yes, viruses still cant fly
so question rather - what would keep aerosol cloud full of viruses in air while weather like this?
No, I don't think it was always considered to be an aerosol virus -- only a droplet virus at first. My statement was based on articles such as this one, titled "Mounting evidence suggests coronavirus is airborne — but health advice has not caught up."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02058-1

and this one, dated August 31st:

Yet more data support COVID-19 aerosol transmission
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...l-transmission

And regarding why virus particles stay in the air longer in cold weather, as I had mentioned, it has to due with the colder air and the lack of humidity and the way a virus's outer shell or "envelope" behaves in those conditions:

Cold weather really does spread flu
https://www.newscientist.com/article...es-spread-flu/

Why The Flu Virus Is More Infectious In Cold Winter Temperatures
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0330203401.htm
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Old 16.10.2020, 19:22
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You do know Sweden and Switzerland are different countries?
do you know, that if asking for something it would be good to be precise?
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 16.10.2020, 19:24
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The Schwyzer locals are still angry at their government. More and more people are wearing masks in the shops despite it being voluntary. Most people agree that the Bund (federal government) need to enforce a national Maskenpflicht (compulsory masks) since the local government refuses stubbornly to do so themselves. Hospital Schwyz's appeal made a huge impact on everyone who saw it.
Well, today is also the first day of the "masks when distance cannot be kept" rule in SZ. I just was at Seedamm Center and I would guess 60% were wearing masks.

I would agree that people have mostly understood that we are going into a serious period.

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Pancakes just did. Now you will have to read and digest. Good luck.

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No, I don't think it was always considered to be an aerosol virus -- only a droplet virus at first.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol
this what exactly i said: aerosol == droplets
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0330203401.htm
this makes more sense for me: hardens virus covering makes it keeps longer in the air
but, the problem is open areas are not laboratory, here is winds and so on, so its highly unlikely that just cough out virus cloud will keep together long enough to create needed virus load
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this what exactly i said: aerosol == droplets
False. Droplets are large and heavy enough to fall onto nearby surfaces and the ground, aerosols are light enough to remain suspended in the air for long periods of time. Liquid droplets can become aerosols if enough water evaporates from them before they fall to the ground. It's not complicated.
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Old 16.10.2020, 19:46
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this makes more sense for me: hardens virus covering makes it keeps longer in the air
but, the problem is open areas are not laboratory, here is winds and so on, so its highly unlikely that just cough out virus cloud will keep together long enough to create needed virus load
This is correct, but you will still have areas that are cold and outdoors yet don't have a lot of circulation. Bus stops with these glass windows around. Hockey / ice skating rings with plexiglass fences etc.

The much bigger issue in winter in my view is that people are indoors with others for long and the indoor air tends to be dry. There also you have the issue aerosol transmission over long distances occurs, and aerosols stick around in the air for hours whereas droplets fall down onto the floor pretty much immediately.
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Old 16.10.2020, 19:48
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what is aerosol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol
this what exactly i said: aerosol == droplets

this makes more sense for me: hardens virus covering makes it keeps longer in the air
but, the problem is open areas are not laboratory, here is winds and so on, so its highly unlikely that just cough out virus cloud will keep together long enough to create needed virus load
No, what you had said is the following:

"it was always considered as aerosol, since its transmitting by small droplets of water (so, basically its still droplets)."

And you were wrong. It was not always considered an aerosol.

End of story. It's okay to be wrong sometimes.
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Old 16.10.2020, 20:10
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
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Old 16.10.2020, 20:13
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
1, I am far more likely to die of heart disease, cancer or skiing.
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Curiously, has anyone seen what the sudden, dramatic increase in new cases is being attributed to? I know it seems to be happening in much of Europe right now -- not just Switzerland. Do you think it's due to the cold weather settling in? I remember seeing that COVID is also considered an aerosol / airborne virus now (not just droplets), and I've read before that airborne viruses stick around in cold air longer and that that's one reason why people tend to catch viruses more in the colder weather.
Maybe forcing people to wear masks gives them a false sense of security?
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Old 16.10.2020, 20:25
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
For me personally not so much, although I am worried about having a horrible experience and being really sick plus risk of slow recovery.

For my parents, 10.

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Maybe forcing people to wear masks gives them a false sense of security?
Yes, I hear that was the root cause in Schwyz.

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