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Old 16.10.2020, 20:25
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
For me personally not so much, although I am worried about having a horrible experience and being really sick plus risk of slow recovery.

For my parents, 10.

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Maybe forcing people to wear masks gives them a false sense of security?
Yes, I hear that was the root cause in Schwyz.

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No, what you had said is the following:

"it was always considered as aerosol, since its transmitting by small droplets of water (so, basically its still droplets)."

And you were wrong. It was not always considered an aerosol.
aerosol is set of droplets
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
I have respect, but not fear so I try to go about living my life as normal as possible.

There are just a few annoying things such as having walked half way to the shop just to realize I forgotten my mask
Has done wonders for my fitness though
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:06
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Re: Coronavirus

Today I was sitting with mask on and waiting for the bus to come, old lady in her 60-70s came out with her shopping and sat on top of me. She had around 3 meter worth of sitting space next to me It was really awkward for me to wriggle out, she acted like nothing happened, no sorry nothing


Edit- Maybe she had dementia and thought I was her lover? I live near old people's house
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:09
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Today I was sitting with mask on and waiting for the bus to come, old lady in her 60-70s came out with her shopping and sat on top of me. She had around 3 meter worth of sitting space next to me It was really awkward for me to wriggle out, she acted like nothing happened, no sorry nothing


Edit- Maybe she had dementia and thought I was her lover? I live near old people's house
Maybe you looked like you needed a lap dance.
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:14
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Today I was sitting with mask on and waiting for the bus to come, old lady in her 60-70s came out with her shopping and sat on top of me. She had around 3 meter worth of sitting space next to me It was really awkward for me to wriggle out, she acted like nothing happened, no sorry nothing


Edit- Maybe she had dementia and thought I was her lover? I live near old people's house
Was that before or after your bingo game?
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:21
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Was that before or after your bingo game?
I don't play Bingo on Friday, I only play on Sunday after church. Haven't seen you at the Bingo since you wet your pants last time
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:23
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aerosol is set of droplets
Aerosols are liquids or solids suspended in air.

Droplets are too heavy and fall to ground relatively quickly.

It's a scientific definition so I guess might cause you a problem.
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:23
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
1.

I maintain social distancing and wear a mask where that possibility is limited.

Please inform us what you have read in this forum or in which MSM that claims social distancing is ineffective?
Of course, EF has an anti-science group that ludicrously questions the effectiveness of masks. I have not seen this claim in MSM, if you have then please share?
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:25
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This is not true and never was. This was a figure from a few selected hospitals in Ticino and Geneva (if my memory serves me right), not the occupancy rate in the country, it NEVER was. In fact, the spare capacity in Switzerland was such that it started accepting patients from France and Italy.
The taking over of some french patients may well have been part of a give-and-take caused by Paris' intention to close the borders for the French crossborder workers. That would probably have resulted in the immediate collapse of the hospitals in GE and VD, perhaps in the entire Romandie, perhaps the entire country as a result of 2nd and 3rd wave effects.

ICU occupany rates is only one aspect:
Intubation requires permanent complete sedation. In the Cantonal hospital in St.Gallen that's done using either Dormicum or ... another drug, may be Propofol. During the peak phase, remaining local supplies lasted only a few days and it was unclear when new delieveries would arrive, and how much.

This in turn triggered emergency plans forcing the hospitals to get ready for what's called "Triage", the separation of patients who would get treated and those who wouldn't. Thankfully that didn't happen but brother #2, who was directly involved in those preparations and processes, says it was pretty damn close. Touching wood.
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:29
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aerosol is set of droplets

exactly
No, the fact is, I had commented with something that was true (about research showing that COVID can behave like an aerosol and not just droplets). My comment had nothing to do with you, but you chose to try to challenge my comment by saying that it's been known all along that COVID is an aerosole virus, which is FALSE.

Seriously, you should try to educate yourself before attempting to waste people's time by trying to challenge them and engage them in debates on online forums and then desperately trying to deny that you're wrong once you're called out for it.

Airborne vs. Aerosol vs. Droplet: What's the Difference?
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...the-difference

COVID-19 Transmission: Droplet or Airborne? Penn Medicine Epidemiologists Issue Statement
https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates...debate-article
"By comparison to droplets, aerosolized particles are infinitesimal. Size alone is not the only important distinction: Droplets fall to earth quickly, but aerosols can travel on air currents potentially for hours. Thus aerosolized viruses are likely to be much more infectious than viruses bound to respiratory droplets, and much more difficult to avoid."

End. Of. Story.
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Please inform us what you have read in this forum or in which MSM that claims social distancing is ineffective?
I think you are confusing me with someone else? I have always been for mask and social distancing. I am even for flogging people if they don't wear mask on public transport

What I meant is that looking at all the news and posts raises my fear level as I don't want to be part of any unlucky statistics.
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:34
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
10. And for various reasons, including the fact that I've experienced what it's like to not be able to breathe, and it's probably the most frightening thing I have ever experienced.
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:45
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10. And for various reasons, including the fact that I've experienced what it's like to not be able to breathe, and it's probably the most frightening thing I have ever experienced.
I think I remember reading something, you have Asthma?

Blocked nose during a flu is scary enough for me! Specially when I am sleeping and wake up gasping for air.
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:50
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I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
1 . Not worried in the slightest..

I could get hit by a bus tomoro, when yer time is up it’s all over.. may as well live life when you can.
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Old 16.10.2020, 21:53
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I think I remember reading something, you have Asthma?

Blocked nose during a flu is scary enough for me! Specially when I am sleeping and wake up gasping for air.
Yeah, I have asthma. But when I experienced not being able to breathe, it was right after I had a heart attack due to a C-section / pregnancy. I was in the ambulance, with the blue light on, being rushed to the hospital and suddenly I realized that I couldn't breathe. I was lying there with the two paramedics on either side of me, but I could barely speak because of not being able to breathe, and I'm trying to desperately convey that to the paramedics. Finally, they understood and put me on oxygen. But even with that, my breathing was so bad that they wouldn't allow me to leave the hospital for a week until my oxygen levels were better and I was able to walk up stairs. (I guess the lack of oxygen was due to the apex of my heart not functioning properly).

Sorry for too much info.

But once you experience something like that, it seems to stay with you and you develop a bit of a phobia about not being able to breathe properly.
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Old 17.10.2020, 02:55
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Curiously, has anyone seen what the sudden, dramatic increase in new cases is being attributed to?
Besides all the usual autumn/winter factors, it strikes me that this rise is coming 10-16 days after the rules regarding the size of social gatherings were relaxed on
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I've gone from 1 in Jan/Feb to about 7 now.

I've gone up to a 7 because of a couple of friends who are mid 40s have long covid. One is usually fit as a fiddle, does a lot of hiking, etc, but she's 7mths into this now. Like Pancakes, but nowhere near as severe or life threatening, I've had a glimpse of the pain from when I had tracheitis. Literally collapsed in the street and couldn't breathe enough to walk. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and definitely don't want to go through anything similar again.
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Old 17.10.2020, 03:46
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how worried are you about dying or ending in ICU due to Corona?

I think I am at level 4 but visiting this forum and reading MSM takes me to level 7.5 sometimes. In my dreams I reach level 10 though
I'm not worried. I take things as they come.
I guess I do expect to catch it sooner or later, going through it at the moment like the cold I have every autumn (because I refuse to pull out winter clothes for as long as possible = totally self inflicted every blooming fall), or already have put it behind me.

Today corona-fatigue has set in though. It's getting boring, next thing please. I'm considering hibernating. Yes, I do that every autumn but this year I'm serious.

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Today I was sitting with mask on and waiting for the bus to come, old lady in her 60-70s came out with her shopping and sat on top of me. She had around 3 meter worth of sitting space next to me It was really awkward for me to wriggle out, she acted like nothing happened, no sorry nothing


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Yeah, those masks hide 2/3 of the face. Anybody looks attractive. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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And this will continue to rise. In March, cases reached 1000 on the 16th and were plateauing around that level in the second half of the month. Peak in hospitalizations (207) did not occur before the 27th.
The weekend the 15th March came up they closed the schools and I believe asked/executed a lockdown telling everyone to work from home.

This time around they are doing next to nothing as far as I can tell at this beyond repeating what they have been saying and isn't working.

Komsomolez makes a very good point here. Hospital admissions lag behind reported infections.
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Old 17.10.2020, 10:22
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I think I remember reading something, you have Asthma?

Blocked nose during a flu is scary enough for me! Specially when I am sleeping and wake up gasping for air.
When I have a blocked nose I use a non prescription nose spray named Sinex, works well for me.
Of course, we are all different so what works for me might not be useful for you.
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