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No, aerosols are what remains after smaller droplets evaporate
Do masks stop aerosols? Asking for a friend.
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Lockdown killed two people for every three that died of the coronavirus, shocking new government figures have revealed.

.It is thought that as many as 16,000 people died because they didn't get medical care between March 23 and May 1.

In the same period, 25,000 Britons died of the virus.

The new figures were presented to the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the middle of July.

They were calculated by the Department of Health, the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Government Actuary's Department and the Home Office.

The 16,000 people who died included 6,000 who didn't go to A&E during lockdown because they feared catching the virus.

Another 10,000 people are thought to have died in care homes after early discharge from hospital and a lack of access to care.

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Old 17.10.2020, 16:53
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When I have a blocked nose I use a non prescription nose spray named Sinex, works well for me.
Of course, we are all different so what works for me might not be useful for you.
Thank you!
I'm not in favour of nose sprays but your post reminded me of the nasal douche with salt water. All these months of trouble - from endless hey-fever as a novum to me straight into the usual autumn-cold - this never crossed my mind.
Just did it, feel better already. Might solve the problem within days now. So cheers for the hint you didn't even give the way it was perceived.
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Some English scientists believe the immunity to reinfection by COVID-19 is no better than that conferred by the similar coronavirus that is one of the causes of the common cold.
So, say six months immunity. Of course, the virus has not been around for long enough to have a definitive answer on this.
If true, it knocks the herd immunity idea on the head.

The lesson from this is that people who survived the infection should continue to take precautions, better safe than sorry.

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If that's the case then why not administer the common cold as a short term vaccination
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Old 17.10.2020, 19:41
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Lockdown killed two people for every three that died of the coronavirus, shocking new government figures have revealed.
Another old article from early August. Lockdowns were not the (entire) problem. Fear was a bigger player.

It's still a big player now, with people not going about their "normal" lives or going for medical treatment, again due to fear of catching the virus.
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Do masks stop aerosols? Asking for a friend.
Does a fart count as an aerosol ?

I can definitely still smell fart through my cloth mask, maybe it's not as safe as i thought.
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Old 17.10.2020, 19:59
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Does a fart count as an aerosol ?

I can definitely still smell fart through my cloth mask, maybe it's not as safe as i thought.
One would hope it is not droplets.
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Old 17.10.2020, 20:27
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Does a fart count as an aerosol ?

I can definitely still smell fart through my cloth mask, maybe it's not as safe as i thought.

Apparently fart fragrance particles are even smaller than Coronavirus hence you can smell farts through surgical mask
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Did I ever post this... worth watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI

This is TED 2015 the next outbreak?
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Lockdown killed two people for every three that died of the coronavirus, shocking new government figures have revealed.

.It is thought that as many as 16,000 people died because they didn't get medical care between March 23 and May 1.

In the same period, 25,000 Britons died of the virus.

The new figures were presented to the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the middle of July.

They were calculated by the Department of Health, the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Government Actuary's Department and the Home Office.

The 16,000 people who died included 6,000 who didn't go to A&E during lockdown because they feared catching the virus.

Another 10,000 people are thought to have died in care homes after early discharge from hospital and a lack of access to care.
You wrote that "Lockdowns killed two people for every three that died of the coronavirus." Now, just think about the number of lives that were most likely saved due to the lockdown bringing the numbers of new cases down and helping to prevent more spread of the virus. But clearly, you think that 300+ people people dying from the virus is better than 200 people dying of something else because they didn't want to go to the emergency room (or whatever).

Also, you're pretty much just "beating a dead horse" at this point. The lockdown was months ago, and the Swiss government has already expressed that it's going to do everything possible to try to NOT go into another lockdown. And that requires ALL of us to make some minor sacrifices and to adjust our behavioral patterns. But sadly, there are some people who think that wearing a mask in the stores and social distancing and other restrictions aren't necessary to help make that possible.
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Old 17.10.2020, 20:46
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You wrote that "Lockdowns killed two people for every three that died of the coronavirus." Now, just think about the number of lives that were most likely saved due to the lockdown bringing the numbers of new cases down and helping to prevent more spread of the virus. But clearly, you think that 300+ people people dying from the virus is better than 200 people dying of something else because they didn't want to go to the emergency room (or whatever).

Seems like a real life Trolley problem
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Old 17.10.2020, 21:07
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Seems like a real life Trolley problem
You reminded me "Most". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_(2003_film)

I am not sure if the Covid deaths in both scenarios, though, are so certain. This is not a theoretical psy/ethics experiment but each country and region have their own prognosis and particular context.
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Old 17.10.2020, 21:10
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Seems like a real life Trolley problem
That's a good analogy. But the difference is that governments never intentionally killed anyone to spare the lives of others. And if people chose to not go the A&E due to a fear of catching the virus there, I'm sorry to say it, but the problem was their lack of better judgment.
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That sounds pretty bleak.. adding to watchlist
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That sounds pretty bleak.. adding to watchlist
Sundance loved it
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Seems like a real life Trolley problem
Not really, people made their own decisions to get medical treatment for their own illness or not; it was not a decision made for them by a third party.

Figures were also presented to the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the middle of July showing the number of people who would have died from COVID-19 without a lockdown.

This same UK Government report stated without these mitigations, the impact of direct COVID-19 deaths alone on both mortality and morbidity would be much higher – an estimated 439,000 excess deaths resulting from COVID-19.
Our EF colleague cherry picked and only shared a part of the report.

Other scientific research here estimated lockdown stopped 470k Covid-19 deaths in UK.
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I would have saved my son
Of course.

The film isn't based on a true story. The Trolly is a theoretical ethics dilemma. In real life there are fewer dilemmas, context guides. It is wrong imho to compare two incomparable contexts, but it is not wrong to learn from other contexts. Another thing is and it is in in the realm of meta-ethics - to expect ethics to manifest only in context independent behavior and the opposite (to automatically assume that a lack of certain behavior means a complete lack of ethics, and to assume that the contexts are interchangeable). We do however know that this particular disease has a specific nature.

Triage would be another Trolley. It was not much talked about here, since it did not seem to hit home, directly.

But I think governments very much learned from contexts and places where triage was unavoidable.
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Did I ever post this... worth watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI

This is TED 2015 the next outbreak?
The title "TED - ideas worth spreading" has become a bit creepy.
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