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Ueli Maurer calls for not giving in to hysteria

"According to the Federal Councilor, a general strengthening of the rules is not appropriate. ĎIt is not acceptable to close schools again and lock people up. We must learn to live with the virus Ė with consistent implementation of measures. But we must be able to live! Ď, He emphasizes."

Some of us on EF have been calling for that since the beginning
Fortunately it seems the other BR are not quite so dense. Looks like all Switzerland masks indoors from Monday plus restriction for private gatherings to below 15. Plus very strong home office recommendation. Probably some more bits besides.
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Old 17.10.2020, 23:56
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Just thinking out loud (Swiss numbers only). Please fact-check me

1- On average, how many people die each year from flu? Apparently 1500?
2- How many people died this year from Covid? 1823 (2 more months to go)
3- Is the average age of people who died from Covid really 82?
4- Swiss life expectancy is 83 years?
5- In the worst ever flu season, how many people died in one year? (In the last 10 years)
COVID deaths are not the only problem. The virus causes long term health problems and permanent damage. And we donít know the whole picture yet as time pasts new data emerges.
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Re: Coronavirus

I wonder how many people were saying that the Spanish Flu was no big deal, back then, before it ended up killing about 50 million people, in three different "waves."

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Old 18.10.2020, 02:27
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Re: Coronavirus

Slovakia just announced a plan to test all of its inhabitants over 2 weekends.

What's interesting is they will do antigen test, so the aim is to see how much the country has been exposed and how close/far to herd immunity they really are and not to do a track/trace/isolate
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Old 18.10.2020, 07:27
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COVID deaths are not the only problem. The virus causes long term health problems and permanent damage. And we donít know the whole picture yet as time pasts new data emerges.
Very difficult to predict the long term effect in such a recent illness. I don't believe permanent I have suffered any permanent damage, I have been in the gym an hour most days getting fit for the ski season.
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Old 18.10.2020, 07:36
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Re: Coronavirus

Good for you then. I know somebody who now has been diagnosed with CFS after having had the virus
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Old 18.10.2020, 07:39
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Good for you then. I know somebody who now has been diagnosed with CFS after having had the virus
I did not say I recovered quickly, just no permanent damage.
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Old 18.10.2020, 07:53
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I have been in the gym an hour most days getting fit for the ski season.

Does anyone know what the rules for gyms are. Specifically looking for info on Zug.
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Ueli Maurer calls for not giving in to hysteria

"According to the Federal Councilor, a general strengthening of the rules is not appropriate. ‘It is not acceptable to close schools again and lock people up. We must learn to live with the virus – with consistent implementation of measures. But we must be able to live! ‘, He emphasizes."

Some of us on EF have been calling for that since the beginning
This man is a child. My kids had a similar view when the were young. You know eat sweets now, worry about bad teeth tomorrow. Please send him back to play school.

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Re: Coronavirus

I was thinking this morning as I walked the dog. You know it takes at least 24 hours to get a covid-19 result, 48 hours if it is the weekend. So the numbers reported are always behind the curve.

So when you go to worldometer and read 3'105 cases on the 16th October 2020, they are in fact confirmed cases from tests taken on 15th October.

If the numbers are just hoovering it doesn't matter, but if they are increasing signficantly then it is a bit more worrying.

In theory everyone of that 3K number could have infected 4 other people too, so that makes the next figure 12K. Thankfully it isn't as bad as that... but we're going that way.
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Very difficult to predict the long term effect in such a recent illness. I don't believe permanent I have suffered any permanent damage, I have been in the gym an hour most days getting fit for the ski season.
This is perhaps one of the scariest things about this. The great majority of writers here have never lost a sense, I have, although thankfully just hearing on one side.

And I cannot hear people in dinner parties, classes, just talking to them walking down the road if they are on the wrong side, I cannot even tell which direction a noise is coming from (cannot find a ringing phone in the room if it wasn't put back in the same place) and have to be extra careful crossing the road cause I don-t hear the traffic coming. The only positive side is that should I lay down on my good ear, you can have a party next door and I won-t complain about the noise. No it wasn't-t covid-19, it was something else.

I have a colleague who has lost her sense of smell and with it some sense of taste. So she cannot tell if food is going bad in the fridge and has to taste it sometimes just to find out. Since things have lost their taste too, the pleasure in life we all enjoy, eating is somewhat lost to her. I am not even sure how well she can in fact tell if food is off at this point with a reduced sense of taste too.

Covid-19 isn-t like catching the flu and getting better. It may affect the rest of your life.

I should add that I have a grand parent who lived to be 100 and something. By that age she had lost all her hearing, most of her sight and surely some of her smell and taste, she was still mobile. She died because she lost the will to live.
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Old 18.10.2020, 08:45
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Very difficult to predict the long term effect in such a recent illness. I don't believe permanent I have suffered any permanent damage, I have been in the gym an hour most days getting fit for the ski season.
Thatís kind of like the lifelong smoker who lives to be a hundred with no health issues. We all know somebody like that.

We need more long term data from more people before we can draw any conclusions. A sample size of one doesnít really cut it.
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Old 18.10.2020, 08:56
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Fatmanfilms can only see things from his perspective, and therefore nobody else can have a different one. His obsession on pointing this out is infuriating and I wonder why he continues to do so. Itís the equivalent of saying ďI beat cancer, so you should be able to as well.Ē

Interesting article today on a newly discovered long term effect in 20min:

https://www.20min.ch/story/liste-der...r-474442057216
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Old 18.10.2020, 09:03
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Thatís kind of like the lifelong smoker who lives to be a hundred with no health issues. We all know somebody like that.

We need more long term data from more people before we can draw any conclusions. A sample size of one doesnít really cut it.
WHA claim 10% of the population have had it, that 0.75 billion people. The sample size is there, we just hear a few scare stories. There will be plenty of people with psychosomatic symptoms.

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who would agree with you that COVID is no big deal.
where I said that?
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The sample size is there, we just hear a few scare stories.
just like this one:
https://news.sky.com/story/influence...tence-12107174
what the storytellers did not say is that the guy was heavily addicted to steroids
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COVID deaths are not the only problem. The virus causes long term health problems and permanent damage. And we donít know the whole picture yet as time pasts new data emerges.
Weird how the press keep on reporting on post-viral fatigue like itís something new. Just keeps on adding to the doom porn!
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WHA claim 10% of the population have had it, that 0.75 billion people. The sample size is there, we just hear a few scare stories. There will be plenty of people with psychosomatic symptoms.

Life is short waste it wisely
Iím pretty sure lots of people get through it without too many problems but without the studies and data to prove it we just donít know at present.

You have no long term effects from it, Roegnerís friend still has problems, thatís two opposing scenarios right there.

Until we have concrete data over a longer time period I will just carry on living my life and going out whilst being careful regarding hygiene and distance in public places. I think itís perfectly possible to carry on living a relatively normal life with this virus around, we just need to find the right balance.
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Old 18.10.2020, 10:23
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Between 60 and 70 thousand people die each year in Switzerland, why 1800 corona victims are more important than everybody else?
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I have never taken Covid lightly I actually wanted to deal with figures that were 100% known, hence my questions.
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