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Old 18.10.2020, 13:27
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This virus seems to be so unpredictable in the symptoms it causes. The variation between individuals seems to be really great. Does that support the theory that maybe it is a genetically engineered virus? I know none of us here can truly answer that question but it does make me wonder.

Say it was engineered in a lab, then what was the aim? Economic war? Population control? Research gone wrong? Bio-Weapon?
Viruses and pandemics in the past were not engineered in a lab (e.g. the Spanish flu), so why would you think that this one is?

Occam's razor.

Ancient origins of viruses discovered

New study transforms understanding of virus origins and evolution
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0404133510.htm


There are more viruses than stars in the universe. Why do only some infect us?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...s-coronavirus/
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Old 18.10.2020, 13:33
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I am in center Lausanne and Geneve daily, every day. Once a week in Zurich. I never wear a mask, I try to keep distance but I don't think too much of it, I wash hands when I can.

If I haven't caught in 6 months daily routine chances are beyond slim for you to catch it from going out once in a blue moon
You don't know for sure that you haven't caught it. Maybe you had it and didn't have symptoms, so you never knew.

Maybe you're the superspreader that brought Vaud and Geneva to the brink earlier this year!
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Mistakes, such as allowing public events to resume too quickly, likely contributed to the surge in coronavirus cases this autumn, said Christian Althaus, adding that the country can still bring the situation under control if it “acted now”.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-c...ogist/46104320
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I am in center Lausanne and Geneve daily, every day. Once a week in Zurich. I never wear a mask, I try to keep distance but I don't think too much of it, I wash hands when I can.

If I haven't caught in 6 months daily routine chances are beyond slim for you to catch it from going out once in a blue moon
You should ware a mask, just in case you do catch it. Wearing a mask is a measure to protect others as well as yourself.

Its isn't a blue moon, it's going to be every week day til Christmas. I hope there aren't too many people like yourself who don't want/believe in wearing masks.
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Old 18.10.2020, 13:49
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This virus seems to be so unpredictable in the symptoms it causes. The variation between individuals seems to be really great. Does that support the theory that maybe it is a genetically engineered virus? I know none of us here can truly answer that question but it does make me wonder.

Say it was engineered in a lab, then what was the aim? Economic war? Population control? Research gone wrong? Bio-Weapon?
A genetically engineered virus would likely have much more predictable effects.
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Old 18.10.2020, 13:50
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Mistakes, such as allowing public events to resume too quickly, likely contributed to the surge in coronavirus cases this autumn, said Christian Althaus, adding that the country can still bring the situation under control if it “acted now”.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-c...ogist/46104320
I wondered if that could be part of the reason for the recent spikes in new cases. I know that, beginning October 1st, Switzerland was allowing gatherings of 1,000 or more people. It seems strangely coincidental that the # of new cases began to increase so dramatically just after that. (I know -- or think -- that many other countries in Europe are also having surges right now, though). So it could even be due to that coupled with the colder weather settling in as well as more people traveling now while their kids are on school break.
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Old 18.10.2020, 13:51
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Viruses and pandemics in the past were not engineered in a lab (e.g. the Spanish flu), so why would you think that this one is?
Nature is the biggest lab ever, I get that but how can you be sure that there was no further manipulation? Even accidental release?
We did not have the advanced tech to manipulate back then, now we do.
Bio and chemical weapons exist, so it is not as if humans have any problems when it comes to creating evil stuff.
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Old 18.10.2020, 13:56
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You should ware a mask, just in case you do catch it. Wearing a mask is a measure to protect others as well as yourself.

Its isn't a blue moon, it's going to be every week day til Christmas. I hope there aren't too many people like yourself who don't want/believe in wearing masks.
I’m guessing here but I assume he meant he didn’t wear one when walking in the street as they are not required there. If he were in shops or on public transport he would be required to wear one.

I never wear a mask outside either.
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Old 18.10.2020, 13:59
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Nature is the biggest lab ever, I get that but how can you be sure that there was no further manipulation? Even accidental release?
We did not have the advanced tech to manipulate back then, now we do.
Bio and chemical weapons exist, so it is not as if humans have any problems when it comes to creating evil stuff.
It was the same disscusion with HIV back then.

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Old 18.10.2020, 14:02
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A genetically engineered virus would likely have much more predictable effects.
Not if the individual or organisation or country knew what they were doing. Could also be a fluke, they wanted to create or research something and it turned out different? Basically a fluke of nature but in a lab setting?

Was Spanish Flu unpredictable like Covid?
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Old 18.10.2020, 14:05
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I wondered if that could be part of the reason for the recent spikes in new cases. I know that, beginning October 1st, Switzerland was allowing gatherings of 1,000 or more people. It seems strangely coincidental that the # of new cases began to increase so dramatically just after that. .
is highly likely. I dont have statistics on number of such kind of events, but it would be nice to look at it
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Nature is the biggest lab ever, I get that but how can you be sure that there was no further manipulation? Even accidental release?
We did not have the advanced tech to manipulate back then, now we do.
Bio and chemical weapons exist, so it is not as if humans have any problems when it comes to creating evil stuff.
Obviously no-one "can be sure" that it wasn't scientifically manipulated that's just a rhetorical question at this point. However, the lack of evidence for there not being scientific manipulation does not mean that there was scientific manipulation. By that logic you can justify the potential existence of pretty much any conspiracy theory.

Possibility and likelihood are howevever two very different measures you can apply to pretty much any situation. Is it possible is was genetically engineered? Yes. Is it likely? No.
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Old 18.10.2020, 14:29
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They did ignore that and will continue to ignore that. There is no legal reason, it is not a law, it is a recommendation.



The only thing they couldn´t ignore was allowing risk group persons to work from home. And that is not the case now as fas as I have read.
Fron today's BAG press briefing...

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The Federal Council makes a home office recommendation. It even includes this in the Covid-19 regulation and obliges employers to observe them.'

I hope this helps you and means your work situation will change accordingly.
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Old 18.10.2020, 14:31
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Nothing much new for most of us from todays press conference.

-The Federal Council has taken further measures: from tomorrow, Monday, it will be mandatory to wear a mask in all publicly accessible buildings, also for private meetings of more than 15 people. The wearing of masks applies to public transport on platforms, train stations and airports, post offices etc

- Recommendation for home office

- Cantons need to expand test and tracing
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Fron today's BAG press briefing...

'Home Office

The Federal Council makes a home office recommendation. It even includes this in the Covid-19 regulation and obliges employers to observe them.'

I hope this helps you and means your work situation will change accordingly.
Thanks but it probably won´t.
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18 October update:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...-id-80771.html
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Mr Berset says that the Ferderal Council has not been informed about the positive test numbers for the weekend including friday
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I'm more than happy to spam your boss with this from a variety of email accounts Pretty clear that it's no longer just a recommendation


'The Federal Council has added a paragraph on working from home to the Special Situation COVID-19 Ordinance. Employers are now required to observe the recommendation by the Federal Office of Public Health for employees to work from home. This will prevent large numbers of people coming together, particularly at peak times, and reduce close contact in the workplace. It will also reduce the risk of a whole work team having to go into quarantine if one member becomes infected with COVID-19.'
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I'm more than happy to spam your boss with this from a variety of email accounts Pretty clear that it's no longer just a recommendation


'The Federal Council has added a paragraph on working from home to the Special Situation COVID-19 Ordinance. Employers are now required to observe the recommendation by the Federal Office of Public Health for employees to work from home. This will prevent large numbers of people coming together, particularly at peak times, and reduce close contact in the workplace. It will also reduce the risk of a whole work team having to go into quarantine if one member becomes infected with COVID-19.'
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...-id-80771.html
Good, hadn´t seen that it was worded that way. Have forwarded it to my boss (not the one denying WFH), will see what reasons the CEO will start inventing to avoid this.......
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