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Still no fines or enforcement of rules regarding mask dodgers on public transport.
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The wearing of masks applies to public transport on platforms, train stations and airports, post offices etc...
That's quite a significant change. When I was out on Friday, most people weren't putting their masks on until the train arrived and were taking them off as soon as they left the train. From midnight, masks must be warn when you enter the station.
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Old 18.10.2020, 14:54
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That's quite a significant change. When I was out on Friday, most people weren't putting their masks on until the train arrived and were taking them off as soon as they left the train. From midnight, masks must be warn when you enter the station.
Lot of people wear the mask after they enter the bus and it take it off 1 stop before they actually get off. So I am all for this new rule Assuming people actually follow the rules.
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Old 18.10.2020, 14:58
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So I am all for this new rule Assuming people actually follow the rules.
I'm inclined to think this would be easier to enforce because Sicherheit can man the station entrances.
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From midnight, masks must be warn when you enter the station.
what if I just passing thru the station?
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Old 18.10.2020, 15:19
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what if I just passing thru the station?
Simple, wear a mask as it is a public space
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Old 18.10.2020, 15:20
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what if I just passing thru the station?
Will you be in the station? Yes.
Therefore you have to wear a mask.
It seems pretty clear to me.
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Old 18.10.2020, 15:45
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I'm inclined to think this would be easier to enforce because Sicherheit can man the station entrances.
Not really. Once they pass the non existent security, they will just pull the mask down to expose their nostrils.

If on the other hand there was an on the spot fine, people would follow the rules better.
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Old 18.10.2020, 15:56
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Still no fines or enforcement of rules regarding mask dodgers on public transport.
A journalist asked the question at today's press conference. Since the Bundesrat haven't declared another exceptional situation there is no way to fine people at the federal level. Cantons might have passed their own rules.

As mentioned above, the public transport operators have said they're not police and don't have the authority to issue fines for mask violations. I wonder if the transport companies could change their own rules? Surely there's a rule about not smoking on the train (for example) and the inspector can fine you if you're caught smoking?

I guess it's up to people to be responsible. Unfortunately plenty of people don't seem to give a toss any more.
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Old 18.10.2020, 16:09
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Re: Coronavirus

On the new graphic it says mask at the entrance and locker room of gyms. What about in the actual group fitness room?
On of the person on stage said yes to Yoga with mask?

Does not match "Eingangs- und Garderobenräume von Schwimmbädern, Sportanlagen und Fitnesszentren"
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Old 18.10.2020, 16:20
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That's quite a significant change. When I was out on Friday, most people weren't putting their masks on until the train arrived and were taking them off as soon as they left the train. From midnight, masks must be warn when you enter the station.
From yesterday in Malta you need to wear a mask outside your house, unless doing sport, although not legally enforceable for another week.
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Old 18.10.2020, 16:23
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A journalist asked the question at today's press conference. Since the Bundesrat haven't declared another exceptional situation there is no way to fine people at the federal level. Cantons might have passed their own rules.

As mentioned above, the public transport operators have said they're not police and don't have the authority to issue fines for mask violations. I wonder if the transport companies could change their own rules? Surely there's a rule about not smoking on the train (for example) and the inspector can fine you if you're caught smoking?

I guess it's up to people to be responsible. Unfortunately plenty of people don't seem to give a toss any more.
They could make it a condition of the ticket, then if you break the rules it would invalidate your ticket and they could kick you off.

I don't know if that could apply to existing season tickets, although normally they refer to "standard conditions of carriage that may be varied from time to time".
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Old 18.10.2020, 16:34
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From yesterday in Malta you need to wear a mask outside your house, unless doing sport, although not legally enforceable for another week.
That approach has worked wonders in Spain 🥴

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That's quite a significant change. When I was out on Friday, most people weren't putting their masks on until the train arrived and were taking them off as soon as they left the train. From midnight, masks must be warn when you enter the station.
Most stations in Switzerland are outdoors, I’m sure this will have a tremendous impact 🥴
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I wonder if having to wear masks on the station would help to reduce number of people who smoke on the station/bus stop.

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I wondered if that could be part of the reason for the recent spikes in new cases. I know that, beginning October 1st, Switzerland was allowing gatherings of 1,000 or more people. It seems strangely coincidental that the # of new cases began to increase so dramatically just after that. (I know -- or think -- that many other countries in Europe are also having surges right now, though). So it could even be due to that coupled with the colder weather settling in as well as more people traveling now while their kids are on school break.
Probably not, considering the simultaneous increase of cases in the whole Europe. Did we have indoor public events with more than 1000 already? The gathering of 100 people in the room is much more dangerous than 1000 outside. There were demonstrations over 1000 people all over the world through the summer, which didn't have much effect on the cases.

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Mr Berset says that the Ferderal Council has not been informed about the positive test numbers for the weekend including friday
Because BAG does not report cases on weekend anymore. I wonder how many cases are reported tomorrow for 3 days. My guess is between 8000 and 10 000.

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Most stations in Switzerland are outdoors, I’m sure this will have a tremendous impact ��
Wearing a mask on the station will have a tremendous impact on the skin around the mouth on the cold windy days. Wearing a wet piece of cloth on the face in winter is no fun at all. Good for dermatologists though, they will have more patients.

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Good, hadn´t seen that it was worded that way. Have forwarded it to my boss (not the one denying WFH), will see what reasons the CEO will start inventing to avoid this.......
I guess some corporate lawyers have been called up and are just working on how to argue that the company has "observed the BAG recommendation" yet does not follow it. To my German ears, "observe" sounds less strict that e.g. "respect" - both offered translations for the word "beachten" in the original text. Not sure if an obligation to "beachten" a recommendation actually means you have to follow it under Swiss law.

But yes, if the company still does not follow this stricter recommendation now, time to mentally say good bye.
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Old 18.10.2020, 17:00
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I wonder if having to wear masks on the station would help to reduce number of people who smoke on the station/bus stop.
The federal government hasn't really thought this through properly.


People will stand 50cm away from the bus stop, without a mask and smoking away, coughing their lungs up over everyone else.

Other countries seem to be able to manage to specify rules that can cope with selfish people - such as prohibiting smoking (or in this case wearing a mask) within ten metres of a bus stop, for example.

It's difficult to flaunt this kind of rule without it being blatantly obvious that you are breaking the rules.
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I guess some corporate lawyers have been called up and are just working on how to argue that the company has "observed the BAG recommendation" yet does not follow it. To my German ears, "observe" sounds less strict that e.g. "respect" - both offered translations for the word "beachten" in the original text. Not sure if an obligation to "beachten" a recommendation actually means you have to follow it under Swiss law.

But yes, if the company still does not follow this stricter recommendation now, time to mentally say good bye.
The coronavirus law that supports the regulations states that companies must follow the recommendations and may be fined if they don't, so "observe" is mandatory.

To me as a native speaker, observe is stronger than respect - observe means to follow the rules, respect suggests a certain level of wiggle room as long as you "respect" the spirit of the rules.
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The coronavirus law that supports the regulations states that companies must follow the recommendations and may be fined if they don't, so "observe" is mandatory.

To me as a native speaker, observe is stronger than respect - observe means to follow the rules, respect suggests a certain level of wiggle room as long as you "respect" the spirit of the rules.
That is what the law literally says:

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3 Die Arbeitgeber beachten die Empfehlungen des BAG betreffend die Erfüllung der Arbeitsverpflichtungen von zu Hause aus.2
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Very weak and I would even dare to say cowardly statements from Bundesrat.


They know perfectly well that trainwreck is coming but are unwilling to take responsibility / issue proper rules because they will need to support businesses that will come into troubles financially and for this "there is no money" which is a total BS, if any country in the world has money to help it's citizens / small business then it is Switzerland.
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Because BAG does not report cases on weekend anymore. I wonder how many cases are reported tomorrow for 3 days. My guess is between 8000 and 10 000.
During fridays conference they said that they have access if demanded. For that I was somewhat surprised that they hadnt been informed.
Maybe it was to avoid having to answer the question today
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