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Old 19.10.2020, 00:14
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I wish we could send all the anti-maskers and anti-restriction people off together to a small, isolated island somewhere. A few of them with the virus.... Just to test their theory and see how that plays out.
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I wish we could send all the anti-maskers and anti-restriction people off together to a small, isolated island somewhere. A few of them with the virus.... Just to test their theory and see how that plays out.
One of them has already tested his theory:
https://news.sky.com/story/influence...tence-12107174
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Old 19.10.2020, 07:57
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A yodelling competition was responsible for a super spreader event in CH... https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...b-88ae20369730
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See above.

And since ruining everyone (even more) to protect the very few is obviously not a strategy for even the near term, what would all your suggestion be then? I guess you must have an idea for the perfect course of action and I'm sure the world would love to hear it.
The very few you don't want to protect paid for your schooling, paid for the health service, paid to military to protect you, paid for police, paid for everything you needed to grow up safely.
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Old 19.10.2020, 08:42
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I wish we could send all the anti-maskers and anti-restriction people off together to a small, isolated island somewhere. A few of them with the virus.... Just to test their theory and see how that plays out.
Until yesterday we had Aargau and Basel Land

Infection rate for these Cantons on Friday per 100,000 over 14 days was 126 and 101. The average for Switzerland was 223
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Of course it's millions and millions, I'm never only talking about Switzerland. And how exactly do you believe "those people can be supported" for who-knows-how-long? Money doesn't grow on trees.

Also, I have not once said this was about me, or that I'm not wearing a mask (I don't care if I have to even if it makes no sense). I have also not once said that "poor me had to blablabla". Believe it or not, some people are actually more interested in large-scale effects
I read this and it reminds me that what 90% of the world worth is held by 5% of the population or something like that. So yes society is well and truly f**ked at this point in time.

I agree with you that in theory there isn't an endless pit of money to draw from, there just isn't.
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Old 19.10.2020, 09:02
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Until yesterday we had Aargau and Basel Land

Infection rate for these Cantons on Friday per 100,000 over 14 days was 126 and 101. The average for Switzerland was 223
Them and quite a few others in central and east Switzerland. Including Schwyz which on a 7 day basis now has the highest rate in Switzerland.
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Old 19.10.2020, 09:04
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I read this and it reminds me that what 90% of the world worth is held by 5% of the population or something like that. So yes society is well and truly f**ked at this point in time.

I agree with you that in theory there isn't an endless pit of money to draw from, there just isn't.
If you shared all the money in the world equally amongst everybody, in 10 years time 10% of the population would be very much richer than everybody else. It's what you do with money & most people just spend it as quickly as the can.
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Old 19.10.2020, 10:09
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Re: Coronavirus

Getting more stories now about hospitals filling up with Covid patients. Triemli in Bern is already shipping patients to other hospitals.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/das-tri...n-627704014177
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Old 19.10.2020, 10:35
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Getting more stories now about hospitals filling up with Covid patients. Triemli in Bern is already shipping patients to other hospitals.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/das-tri...n-627704014177
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This is the worst case scenerio. I've heard Schwyz has also sent at least one patient to Zug and have personally seen the ad where they are looking for more staff due to all the cases at the hospital.

No one wants a lockdown but schools are considering online teaching again. I certainly hope that won't happen.
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Old 19.10.2020, 10:36
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A yodelling competition was responsible for a super spreader event in CH... https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...b-88ae20369730
Not in Switzerland but certainly in the area around Schwyz. I sincerely doubt that particular event had any great effect on the population in Geneva.
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Old 19.10.2020, 10:53
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One of them has already tested his theory:
https://news.sky.com/story/influence...tence-12107174

Googling his image, I get the impression that he is bit of a meat head. Who knows maybe he was taking PEDs and that played a part in his heart blowing out?

I think wearing masks is the least everyone can do. Only time I will stop wearing it is if scientific research proves that it has clear negative consequences.

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Some in the US say it escaped from a lab near Wuhan. But there was also some sort of military festival, with US military members taking part, a while before it was discovered, so who guarantees it isn't a US false flag operation that's supposed to let them blame China? Trump has been very vocal WRT China, you could easily take that as motive.

On the other hand the virus has been found in wastewater probes taken in Torino and Milano in mid-December, clearly before the first victims got identified. Doesn't that mean the Italians are the most likely culprit? Why doesn't Trump blame them?
I never directly blamed China even though I can't stand the Chinese government. It could very well have been US or a completely different country or organization.

Regarding waste water probes in Italy, if China was really the origin then it could easily have come to Italy via tourists or more likely via the Chinese workers based sweat shops in Italy? It is not a slam dunk either way.

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Old 19.10.2020, 11:05
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Not to diminish suffering of WW2 (Corona is not comparable indeed) but Merkel rightfully called this crisis a "biggest German challenge since WW2". This applies to entire western Europe.

We can only keep this disease in check if everyone learns to ask him/herself a very simple question every day and every hour for the next 6 Months: "Assuming I have Corona, how do I make sure that I do not infect the others" and act accordingly. We would need no restrictions, no requirements to wear masks or gloves.


Sadly we are living in mememememe society and quite a few people either do not care at all or only care about not being infected themselves while giving a damn about others.
I agree. I phrased my initial reply wrongly.

The Swiss did not have the suffering that other European nations did (on both sides).

The people who gathered in Bern yesterday proclaiming that their rights and freedoms are being taken away by being required to wear masks have no idea of what those words really mean.

I've got my freedom today from what my grandparents had to suffer during the last war.

Asking people to wash their hands more often and wear a mask indoors in public-accessible areas is hardly asking too much, is it?
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Old 19.10.2020, 11:18
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Does anyone know what the rules for gyms are. Specifically looking for info on Zug.

I got an email from the gym yesterday, albeit Aargau. Funny rules: wear mask in entrance area and locker room. Mask optional while lifting
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Re: Coronavirus

Valais Hospital is asking people to take hygiene seriously and follow the rules of masks and distancing. They say they are near maximum capacity.
https://www.hopitalvs.ch/fr/lhopital...ique-2286.html

"The number of hospitalisations have doubled every day since October 16"
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Valais Hospital is asking people to take hygiene seriously and follow the rules of masks and distancing. They say they are near maximum capacity.
https://www.hopitalvs.ch/fr/lhopital...ique-2286.html

"The number of hospitalisations have doubled every day since October 16"
What's the normal occupancy rate at this time of year, year on year?

In the UK, the "ICUs nearly full" headlines ignore the NHS's own figures that ICU occupancy is lower than October 2019. They're usually 80%+ full
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Old 19.10.2020, 12:07
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Until yesterday we had Aargau and Basel Land

Infection rate for these Cantons on Friday per 100,000 over 14 days was 126 and 101. The average for Switzerland was 223

Took the train from Oftringen to Zofingen last Saturday. Everyone put their mask on as the train arrived to the platform. I was positively surprised at the compliance level. So, no antimaskers. It makes sense to use one in a place where you're close to other people and ventilation is no that good.
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Until yesterday we had Aargau and Basel Land

Infection rate for these Cantons on Friday per 100,000 over 14 days was 126 and 101. The average for Switzerland was 223
Population density is more important than compliance. That's fairly clear.
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Old 19.10.2020, 12:29
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Population density is more important than compliance. That's fairly clear.
Odd, considering that AG and BL are two of the most densely populated cantons in Switzerland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland
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I wish we could send all the anti-maskers and anti-restriction people off together to a small, isolated island somewhere. A few of them with the virus.... Just to test their theory and see how that plays out.
Ugh, that's typically the type of passive-aggressive rhetoric I can't stand. Claims to be empathetic but wishes disease onto others, lumping absolutely everyone voicing any type of skepticism over restrictions into the category of 'anti-maskers', 'anti-restriction', etc.
Calling people out on their hysterical, alarmist, over-the-top reaction to the pandemic is not the same as believing the pandemic is 'no big deal', btw. It's totally possible to take Covid seriously, yet remain level-headed and keep on living relatively normally (psychologically), refusing to let your anxiety and exogenous political discrepancies feed your fear.

I wonder what percentage of at-risk people (at least below 65 years old) pro-actively made changes in their lifestyle (exercising, eating better, sleeping more, even smaller things such as blocking blue light or walking barefoot on the grass) to become healthier since the beginning of this whole thing, btw. A small one, I'd bet. Which is a shame because that has the power to protect you somewhat against developing complications were you to catch the virus. It seems some people just accept they are at risk and passively and exclusively depend on others for protection.

I mean, working out is great for you but in the midst of a pandemic and especially if you've never really done it and your health is suffering for it, it's just better.
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