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Old 19.10.2020, 12:32
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I wonder what percentage of at-risk people (at least below 65 years old) pro-actively made changes in their lifestyle (exercising, eating better, sleeping more, even smaller things such as blocking blue light or walking barefoot on the grass) to become healthier since the beginning of this whole thing, btw. A small one, I'd bet. Which is a shame because that has the power to protect you somewhat against developing complications were you to catch the virus. It seems some people just accept they are at risk and passively and exclusively depend on others for protection.

Do you really think that that will help? Or that anyone who is in the risk group leads an unhealthy life?

Yes, for some this may help, for a lot of others who already live healthy and are in the risk group, the risk remains. Diabetes will not go away with a healthy life style in a lot of cases.
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Old 19.10.2020, 12:38
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Odd, considering that AG and BL are two of the most densely populated cantons in Switzerland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland
At least Aargau is lots of small villages that are fairly close together with no big cities. That's better than one or two big cities with tons of mountains or farmland.
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I wonder what percentage of at-risk people (at least below 65 years old) pro-actively made changes in their lifestyle (exercising, eating better, sleeping more, even smaller things such as blocking blue light or walking barefoot on the grass) to become healthier since the beginning of this whole thing, btw. A small one, I'd bet. Which is a shame because that has the power to protect you somewhat against developing complications were you to catch the virus. It seems some people just accept they are at risk and passively and exclusively depend on others for protection.
This is absolutely absurd... I can understand wagging your finger at the obese population as they are a weight on the healthcare system. I eat a primarily plant based diet (only buy organic meat), practice sport at least 4-5 times per week, sleep as much as I can and take all of my vitamins...but NONE of that will take away the asthma I inherited at birth.
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Old 19.10.2020, 12:42
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I wonder what percentage of at-risk people (at least below 65 years old) pro-actively made changes in their lifestyle (exercising, eating better, sleeping more, even smaller things such as blocking blue light or walking barefoot on the grass) to become healthier since the beginning of this whole thing, btw. A small one, I'd bet. Which is a shame because that has the power to protect you somewhat against developing complications were you to catch the virus. It seems some people just accept they are at risk and passively and exclusively depend on others for protection.
Unfortunately, probably very few. People don't think like that.
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Old 19.10.2020, 12:43
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This is absolutely absurd... I can understand wagging your finger at the obese population as they are a weight on the healthcare system. I eat a primarily plant based diet (only buy organic meat), practice sport at least 4-5 times per week, sleep as much as I can and take all of my vitamins...but NONE of that will take away the asthma I inherited at birth.
I read it as those people who don't have chronic illnesses could make changes to improve their health.
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Old 19.10.2020, 12:54
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I wonder what percentage of at-risk people (at least below 65 years old) pro-actively made changes in their lifestyle (exercising, eating better, sleeping more, even smaller things such as blocking blue light or walking barefoot on the grass) to become healthier since the beginning of this whole thing, btw. A small one, I'd bet. Which is a shame because that has the power to protect you somewhat against developing complications were you to catch the virus. It seems some people just accept they are at risk and passively and exclusively depend on others for protection.
For once I agree with Tom1234 (rare enough) - people don't think like that.

Aside from that, literally locking healthy people in was the most counterproductive thing ever. Zero exercise, not even proper movement, food pretty much delivered directly into their mouth, no fresh air, nothing. Way to build up an immune system. This is NOT referring to Switzerland, but the beyond absurd measures in the likes of France, Italy or Australia.

Obesity is a major risk factor, aside from old age and simply natural issues connected with old age. This was clear about a week into the whole drama. The obesity pandemic has been around for many, many, many decades and gradually worsened for just as long, yet barely anything has been done about it, or certainly not anything that looks like progress - quite the opposite. Now there's something that is actually a real risk for the obese, and it becomes all about the thing, rather than the underlying cause. It's like the whole climate change discussion - apparently, some people will only realize it's a problem once half the world's islands have sunk and the other half of the world has no more food to eat.
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Old 19.10.2020, 12:55
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The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster.
It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

The article also claims that that patients were denied care as a result of Sweden's public health guidelines that the country’s hospitals were implementing as a triage system. These patients were being denied the type of inpatient care they would have received in normal times.
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For the Sweden fans
The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster.
It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

The article also claims that that patients were denied care as a result of Sweden's public health guidelines that the country’s hospitals were implementing as a triage system. These patients were being denied the type of inpatient care they would have received in normal times.
And you can google differently to find different conclusions. Aside from that, they never denied that they failed to protect old age homes. At least the doctors weren't paid to move people back into old age homes, like apparently in Italy.
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Old 19.10.2020, 13:06
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I read it as those people who don't have chronic illnesses could make changes to improve their health.
Aren’t the majority of people under 65 who are considered to be in the ‘at risk’ category usually people with chronic illnesses?

Obese people excepted unless they have a medical reason for the obesity.
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Old 19.10.2020, 13:13
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Obese people excepted unless they have a medical reason for the obesity.
From Bag.ch
New coronavirus: People at especially high risk

The virus is particularly dangerous for the following groups of people, as they risk contracting a severe case of the disease:

People over the age of 65

Pregnant women

Adults with the following underlying medical conditions:

High blood pressure
Cardiovascular disease
Diabetes
Chronic respiratory diseases
Cancer
Conditions and therapies that weaken the immune system
Obesity class III (morbid, BMI greater than or equal to 40 kg/m2)
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8737 cases for the weekend. only double last weekend's numbers. I was expecting worse.

171 hospitalisations
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Old 19.10.2020, 13:18
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From Bag.ch
New coronavirus: People at especially high risk

The virus is particularly dangerous for the following groups of people, as they risk contracting a severe case of the disease:

People over the age of 65

Pregnant women

Adults with the following underlying medical conditions:

High blood pressure
Cardiovascular disease
Diabetes
Chronic respiratory diseases
Cancer
Conditions and therapies that weaken the immune system
Obesity class III (morbid, BMI greater than or equal to 40 kg/m2)

Too bad that people in the risk groups still can be forced to come in to work..... or that employers still can force anyone to come to work.
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Old 19.10.2020, 13:27
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8737 cases for the weekend. only double last weekend's numbers. I was expecting worse.

171 hospitalisations
I was expecting worse too.

14 deaths over the weekend.
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Old 19.10.2020, 13:34
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What's the normal occupancy rate at this time of year, year on year?

In the UK, the "ICUs nearly full" headlines ignore the NHS's own figures that ICU occupancy is lower than October 2019. They're usually 80%+ full
My husband is currently seriously ill in the UK and is on his 3rd week in hospital - he has been waiting to be transferred to a large London hospital for major surgery but as the ICU is full they cannot take him. His Drs are calling constantly as he is deteriorating daily - that is our experience.
Although he is not suffering from Covid - it has affected our mental health indirectly. You cannot visit him to lift his spirits as hospital visits are banned - my children cannot come and be with me as one is in lockdown near Liverpool and the other in Switzerland.
Life is so difficult for everyone for different reasons
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Out of 54k 15.7 % tested positive
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I read it as those people who don't have chronic illnesses could make changes to improve their health.
He or she began their statement with “I wonder what percentage of at risk-people...”
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Too bad that people in the risk groups still can be forced to come in to work..... or that employers still can force anyone to come to work.
Have you tried with a doctors note? That worked for me. Good luck!
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My husband is currently seriously ill in the UK and is on his 3rd week in hospital - he has been waiting to be transferred to a large London hospital for major surgery but as the ICU is full they cannot take him. His Drs are calling constantly as he is deteriorating daily - that is our experience.
Although he is not suffering from Covid - it has affected our mental health indirectly. You cannot visit him to lift his spirits as hospital visits are banned - my children cannot come and be with me as one is in lockdown near Liverpool and the other in Switzerland.
Life is so difficult for everyone for different reasons
I dont have words & cant even closely imagine what it must be like.
I truly hope that your husband will be ok.

Thoughts & prayers for you and your family in this extremly difficult time.
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Old 19.10.2020, 13:54
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Have you tried with a doctors note? That worked for me. Good luck!

I have one, this time they ignore it as it is nowhere mentioned that people in the risk group should work from home.
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At least Aargau is lots of small villages that are fairly close together with no big cities. That's better than one or two big cities with tons of mountains or farmland.
That could be the case, I used to think that population density would play a greater role, however the more one looks at the data, this doesn't appear to be the case, certainly on a country or regional level.

The more I look at the data it does appear that fundamentals of a population like culture and customs play a large role (East Asia versus West).

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Good, hadn´t seen that it was worded that way. Have forwarded it to my boss (not the one denying WFH), will see what reasons the CEO will start inventing to avoid this.......
Any update?
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