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Plant-based diets aren't really optimal. There are testimonies out there of people healing/improving their immune conditions eating animal-based, low-carb/plant diets (all the way up to carnivore, which is only meat).

Anyway, my point was that any type of lifestyle improvement is good. Covid has been going on for 7-8 months and people have had plenty of time to exercise self-care in that time. Whether or not it protects against severe Covid fully, I don't know, but it doesn't hurt. But as others have mentioned it, people can't really be bothered.
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I think that holiday is dead for this year, I doubt that the Thanksgiving will be big either.
Ah that's why us Canadians already had thanksgiving!
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I never directly blamed China even though I can't stand the Chinese government. It could very well have been US or a completely different country or organization.

Regarding waste water probes in Italy, if China was really the origin then it could easily have come to Italy via tourists or more likely via the Chinese workers based sweat shops in Italy? It is not a slam dunk either way.
Nor did I mean to imply you did. I was simply demonstrating, or trying to, that one can construct any kind of conspiracy theory using the "correct" data points and that, at the end of the day, people will believe what they "knew" all along.

Of course it could have come via sweat shop workers even though they're located quite a bit further south and on the other side of the Apennin, which implies points of entry other than Milano, for example Fiorenza or even Rome. But here as well, this is a matter of speculation unless RNA analysis proves direct descendance (maybe even then as that doesn't preclude different paths of infection), and people will believe and accept what they "knew" all along.
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I've been shopping twice this past week and there's a noticable lack of anything Halloween related. One local shop has missed out Halloween altogether and gone straight to their Christmas displays. From what I've heard, it was decided that Halloween was "in bad taste" during a pandemic. You'll just have to celebrate it the old fashioned way before the American influence of trick or treat. When I was a kid, it was all about apple bobbing, ghost stories by candle light, or a trip up to Pendle Hill.
Jack and Jill went up the hill

To fetch a pail of water.

Jill came down with half a crown

But not for fetching water.
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Old 19.10.2020, 14:53
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Jack and Jill went up the hill

To fetch a pail of water.

Jill came down with half a crown

But not for fetching water.
Jill "came down with" or "went down for"?
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Old 19.10.2020, 15:24
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Ah that's why us Canadians already had thanksgiving!
Forward thinking

I can't get Halloween out of my head. I hope school lasts so I get my fill of dressin' up. Unspontaneously and ungatheringly.
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Sometimes I have to agree with the Italians ... in their assessment of Halloween at least


ROME (Reuters) - An Italian regional governor plans to impose a curfew on the night of Oct. 31 to prevent coronavirus spreading at parties for Halloween which he branded “a huge American stupidity”.

Vincenzo De Luca, the forthright head of the southern Campania region centred on Naples, said via Facebook on Friday that a shutdown would begin at 10 p.m. on that night.

“Halloween is this huge stupidity. A huge American stupidity which we have imported into our country,” he posted.

Nov. 1 is a holiday in Italy to mark All Saints Days and U.S.-style Halloween parties the night before have only recently become popular here.

Campania has seen a sharp spike in COVID-19 cases this month and De Luca, a centre-left politician, announced on Thursday he was closing schools in his region for two weeks.

Famous in Italy for his colourful comments, De Luca threatened to send police with flamethrowers to break up student parties as the initial epidemic raged in March. He was re-elected to his post in September with almost 70% of the vote.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2712D8
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Famous in Italy for his colourful comments, De Luca threatened to send police with flamethrowers to break up student parties as the initial epidemic raged in March.
It would be difficult to find an Italian politician not famous for their "colourful comments"....

Anyways, yes it's stupid to have those parties now, but flamethrowers? Jesus...some people should have their heads checked...
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Old 19.10.2020, 15:42
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It would be difficult to find an Italian politician not famous for their "colourful comments"....

Anyways, yes it's stupid to have those parties now, but flamethrowers? Jesus...some people should have their heads checked...
I think a lot of people are having their heads checked, well at least it felt like I had my brain tickled when I was Covid tested.
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The canton of Aargau will introduce additional measures from tomorrow, Tuesday at 6 p.m. The number of people present at the same time in bars and clubs is limited to 50 people, and the mask requirement is extended to seated people.

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/das-...die-massnahmen

Might be better for the bars to be ordered to close so that some might get some cover from insurance and/or declare Force Majeure on contracts.
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'hysterical', 'alarmist' and 'over-the-top' is considered name-calling now? What would you say about the words virtue-signalers here use against 'skeptics' like: psychopath, toddler, idiot, etc. simply for addressing or suggesting alternative measures of protection?

I say those are the right and rather soft words towards the 'sceptics'. This is not a rather funny and jolly flat-earther gathering this is matter of life and death and people who cannot recognize this are either truly dumb or absolutely ignorant and not giving a damn about other people's lives. I have seen so many of this kind recently. Those who are worried that their gym will be closed down, those who afraid of "welfare state", those who say "oh well, old have to go eventually, this is nature" or instruct their subordinates to enter false names on name registration lists to make sure that "no employee will be put on quarantine" and so on. Disgusting.
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Old 19.10.2020, 16:13
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I've been shopping twice this past week and there's a noticable lack of anything Halloween related. One local shop has missed out Halloween altogether and gone straight to their Christmas displays. From what I've heard, it was decided that Halloween was "in bad taste" during a pandemic. You'll just have to celebrate it the old fashioned way before the American influence of trick or treat. When I was a kid, it was all about apple bobbing, ghost stories by candle light, or a trip up to Pendle Hill.
The Manor centre here has a massive Halloween display, bugger than I’ve ever seen before. I was really surprised when I saw it.

I don’t like Halloween personally so it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if it was cancelled.
It was all about a Guy Fawkes when I was a kid.

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Old 19.10.2020, 16:33
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I enjoyed Halloween for a while in my 30's when I lived in a suburb of New York. Every Halloween, a bunch of us would go into NYC for the Halloween parade in Greenwich village. We never really participated or dressed up much, but it was so incredible to see the artistry and creativity and sometimes sick sense of humour present.

I saw amazing costumes. And, in the mid-late 1980's there were a lot of references to HIV/AIDS. Lots of grim reaper costumes. One year, there were references to Imelda Marcos' shoes.
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Old 19.10.2020, 16:39
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I was out and about all day, unfortunately I saw plenty of mask dodgers, no change
Also saw few old people covering just their mouth!
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Old 19.10.2020, 16:42
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I was out and about all day, unfortunately I saw plenty of mask dodgers, no change
Saw few old people covering just their mouth!
Compared to young people the same or different?
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Old 19.10.2020, 16:44
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Ugh, that's typically the type of passive-aggressive rhetoric I can't stand. Claims to be empathetic but wishes disease onto others, lumping absolutely everyone voicing any type of skepticism over restrictions into the category of 'anti-maskers', 'anti-restriction', etc.
Calling people out on their hysterical, alarmist, over-the-top reaction to the pandemic is not the same as believing the pandemic is 'no big deal', btw. It's totally possible to take Covid seriously, yet remain level-headed and keep on living relatively normally (psychologically), refusing to let your anxiety and exogenous political discrepancies feed your fear.

I wonder what percentage of at-risk people (at least below 65 years old) pro-actively made changes in their lifestyle (exercising, eating better, sleeping more, even smaller things such as blocking blue light or walking barefoot on the grass) to become healthier since the beginning of this whole thing, btw. A small one, I'd bet. Which is a shame because that has the power to protect you somewhat against developing complications were you to catch the virus. It seems some people just accept they are at risk and passively and exclusively depend on others for protection.

I mean, working out is great for you but in the midst of a pandemic and especially if you've never really done it and your health is suffering for it, it's just better.
Congratulations for having missed my point entirely. Nowhere did I wish disease on others. However, that is essentially what the anti-mask people here have been saying -- that they feel that they shouldn't have to wear a mask in order to help protect other people. And that is a lack of empathy.

And yes, there have been quite a few people here who have been expressing that they think the virus is no big deal... equating it with the flu, thinking that people should just aim for herd immunity at the risk of many people dying, saying that they refuse to wear a mask or shouldn't have to, etc. For many of them, even their worshiped politician has directly told people to not worry about the virus.

Also, I wasn't being passive aggressive. You're just clearly unable to understand the use of a theoretical analogy to make a point. But again, congratulations for missing the point entirely.
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Old 19.10.2020, 16:59
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Compared to young people the same or different?
The tram passed a college and tons of youngster came on, all had masks on, was refreshing to see

In general, I find a mix of people who dodge masks but today I found that youngsters were not dodging masks. Statistically what I see is insignificant though

Btw I was sitting down and I smelt awful garlic type breath, I turned around and a fat scruffy guy with no mask was basically breathing down on me. I was going to say something to him but instead I just got up and walked to the other end.
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Old 19.10.2020, 17:03
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Sometimes I have to agree with the Italians ... in their assessment of Halloween at least


ROME (Reuters) - An Italian regional governor plans to impose a curfew on the night of Oct. 31 to prevent coronavirus spreading at parties for Halloween which he branded “a huge American stupidity”.

Vincenzo De Luca, the forthright head of the southern Campania region centred on Naples, said via Facebook on Friday that a shutdown would begin at 10 p.m. on that night.

“Halloween is this huge stupidity. A huge American stupidity which we have imported into our country,” he posted.

Nov. 1 is a holiday in Italy to mark All Saints Days and U.S.-style Halloween parties the night before have only recently become popular here.

Campania has seen a sharp spike in COVID-19 cases this month and De Luca, a centre-left politician, announced on Thursday he was closing schools in his region for two weeks.

Famous in Italy for his colourful comments, De Luca threatened to send police with flamethrowers to break up student parties as the initial epidemic raged in March. He was re-elected to his post in September with almost 70% of the vote.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2712D8
That's a bit ironic, though... to consider Halloween (which is a holiday for kids) "stupid" and yet to simultaneously acknowledge some kind of importance and significance for "All Saints Day" -- a religious holiday that is based on magical thinking and 2,000 year-old mythology. At least people celebrating Halloween admit that the monsters don't really exist.
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Old 19.10.2020, 17:03
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The tram passed a college and tons of youngster came on, all had masks on, was refreshing to see

In general, I find a mix of people who dodge masks but today I found that youngsters were not dodging masks. Statistically what I see is insignificant though

Btw I was sitting down and I smelt awful garlic type breath, I turned around and a fat scruffy guy with no mask was basically breathing down on me. I was going to say something to him but instead I just got up and walked to the other end.
I was talking to a Zürich tram driver this week. He said most people are wearing masks in his trams, a notable exception is weekend evenings when his tram is packed with young people ignoring mask rules and social distancing. He shuts himself in his cabin and hopes for the best.
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Anyone else seeing the similarity between the daily news bulletins of casualty figures ( that otherwise go by the name of
numbers of people tested positive for Covid, those that have been hospitalized and gone into Hospital ICU's and
finally deaths ) and The War on the Western Front during the First World War ?

Looking back at daily newspaper reports on casualties on the Western Front; the lists of all those killed, wounded
or casualties sent to field hospitals is like the Covid pandemic; neverending and the gains in making progress
against the Covid pandemic, are like the troops inching forward against the Hun under a hail of machine gun fire,
to only gain 100, 200 or 300 yards in the Somme before its lost again the following week.

All this talk of the UK's marvallous Test, Track and Trace system thats been blown out of all proportion to
it's actual effectiveness in the UK - are like British Generals deftly devising a master stroke on
the battlefields of the Somme; with a grand offensive that would carry the day in overunning
the German trenches and put Covid 19 ( like the German Army in the First World War ) on the back foot
and in full retreat.

Of course for all those dreaming for 'An End to the Pandemic that will End all Pandemics' are like WW1 dreams
of 'A War that will end all Wars' everyones betting on the eventual release of a vaccine that might see the
Pandemic over by Christmas although at this rate they could be talking about next Christmas before they
can hope for their final victory.

Natually I wonder whether BlackAdder would have faired any better as Boris Johnson ?
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