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I'm sorry to hear that.

Your case hasn't been widely reported: I'd expect the news to be full of such items, given how quick the media report alleged bed shortages.

One example:

I was referrring to the Graun article saying beds are full.

Subsequently debunked by the mayor of Manchester.
Actually the 2 stories are not mutually exclusive. The Graun article refers to 2 specific hospitals, Burnham's reply refers to Greater Manchester.

However in this case it seems the story is a plant by the UK government to put pressure on Burnham.
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Anyone else seeing the similarity between the daily news bulletins of casualty figures ( that otherwise go by the name of
numbers of people tested positive for Covid, those that have been hospitalized and gone into Hospital ICU's and
finally deaths ) and The War on the Western Front during the First World War ?

Looking back at daily newspaper reports on casualties on the Western Front; the lists of all those killed, wounded
or casualties sent to field hospitals is like the Covid pandemic; neverending and the gains in making progress
against the Covid pandemic, are like the troops inching forward against the Hun under a hail of machine gun fire,
to only gain 100, 200 or 300 yards in the Somme before its lost again the following week.

All this talk of the UK's marvallous Test, Track and Trace system thats been blown out of all proportion to
it's actual effectiveness in the UK - are like British Generals deftly devising a master stroke on
the battlefields of the Somme; with a grand offensive that would carry the day in overunning
the German trenches and put Covid 19 ( like the German Army in the First World War ) on the back foot
and in full retreat.

Of course for all those dreaming for 'An End to the Pandemic that will End all Pandemics' are like WW1 dreams
of 'A War that will end all Wars' everyones betting on the eventual release of a vaccine that might see the
Pandemic over by Christmas although at this rate they could be talking about next Christmas before they
can hope for their final victory.

Natually I wonder whether BlackAdder would have faired any better as Boris Johnson ?
In fact come to think of it Boris Johnson is evolving into Captain Blackadder with every passing week of the Covid-19 2nd wave,
coming up with more cunning plans to avoid a total lockdown.
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Old 20.10.2020, 11:41
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My husband is currently seriously ill in the UK and is on his 3rd week in hospital - he has been waiting to be transferred to a large London hospital for major surgery but as the ICU is full they cannot take him. His Drs are calling constantly as he is deteriorating daily - that is our experience.
Although he is not suffering from Covid - it has affected our mental health indirectly. You cannot visit him to lift his spirits as hospital visits are banned - my children cannot come and be with me as one is in lockdown near Liverpool and the other in Switzerland.
Life is so difficult for everyone for different reasons
I am so sorry to hear that, I really hope he gets the surgery he needs very soon.

My husband’s sister was in a similar position back in April so we know how horrendous it must be for you. She did eventually get the surgery she needed but her recovery was far longer than it would have been had she been able to have the surgery immediately.
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Old 20.10.2020, 12:08
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The new positive cases in the US and India are significantly lower today according to worldmeter. Hopefully it will continue on this path.
Latest US numbers today, deaths are stable tracking the worldwide trend; mostly due to improved medical care.
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Old 20.10.2020, 12:15
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Latest US numbers today, deaths are stable tracking the worldwide trend; mostly due to improved medical care.
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Case have started to increase around Sept 10, hospitalizations from 1 Oct - eyeballing this from the graphs. So I am afraid it is a question of time before deaths will tick up again.
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Some encouraging news on the vaccine front. From the Graun's ticker...

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Peter Openshaw, professor of experimental medicine at Imperial College London, has said “there is light at the end of the tunnel” with regard to Britain getting a vaccine for Covid-19 .

I would be surprised if some of those vaccine studies don’t report this side of Christmas … I think that that will be limited stocks of vaccine which are going to be available for the most high-risk people in the early part of next year.

“But of course there won’t be sufficient vaccine to roll out a full vaccination programme; we need to take it stepwise and be cautious.”
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Old 20.10.2020, 12:20
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Some encouraging news on the vaccine front. From the Graun's ticker...

I will wait till we have a fully tested and working vaccine. I will let you all try before I jump in
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Re: Coronavirus

another press release today at 14:00 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfoCE-RZOTI

new measures? Curfew? as suggested here: https://www.20min.ch/story/befristet...z-814975732718
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Re: Coronavirus

My close friend was just diagnosed with COVID-19. His wife is at risk and they are refusing to test her because she is currently showing no symptoms.

Switzerland's attitude to this virus is worrying. Read an article today about how they turn people away on the weekend from testing...and how the restaurants can bypass distance rules. We are in for a long winter. Even Sweden showed more restraint in the Spring...

https://www.20min.ch/story/darum-gib...s-650866760636

https://www.20min.ch/story/restauran...n-962263775414
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays numbers 3008 positive out of 14k tests.

Thats 21.1 % positive tests

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Todays numbers 3008 positive out of 14k tests
53 hospitalisations and 8 deaths
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Old 20.10.2020, 13:18
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Todays numbers 3008 positive out of 14k tests.

Thats 21.1 % positive tests

58 new hospitalisations
Positive rate 21.1%

How significant is the positivity rate? Obviously that's rising daily with he number of cases .. But is it important? Just co-incidence that more people who bothered to get tested actually positive?

Does it actually provide any bigger picture view?
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Positive rate 21.1%

How significant is the positivity rate? Obviously that's rising daily with he number of cases .. But is it important? Just co-incidence that more people who bothered to get tested actually positive?

Does it actually provide any bigger picture view?
I understand that is just one data point and should be viewed in the broader context. What it does mean without reservation is that there is not enough testing going on.
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Positive rate 21.1%

How significant is the positivity rate? Obviously that's rising daily with he number of cases .. But is it important? Just co-incidence that more people who bothered to get tested actually positive?

Does it actually provide any bigger picture view?



No just another way to see things with the same result.
For me its easier to picture 21.1% than just 3008 .
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Old 20.10.2020, 13:27
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My close friend was just diagnosed with COVID-19. His wife is at risk and they are refusing to test her because she is currently showing no symptoms.

Switzerland's attitude to this virus is worrying. Read an article today about how they turn people away on the weekend from testing...and how the restaurants can bypass distance rules. We are in for a long winter. Even Sweden showed more restraint in the Spring...

https://www.20min.ch/story/darum-gib...s-650866760636

https://www.20min.ch/story/restauran...n-962263775414

I can imagine the stress, just waiting without knowing should not be easy. A bit hard to say but tests are only for people with symptoms. Hopefully nothing will happen and all she'll have to do is quarantine at home. If any symptom appears, Kt. ZH is starting a pilot program for tests in pharmacies for 50 CHF, more info here: https://www.zh.ch/de/news-uebersicht...fuehren-c.html
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Old 20.10.2020, 14:12
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No just another way to see things with the same result.
For me its easier to picture 21.1% than just 3008 .
No, bunnehroo has it right. Anything over 5% is regarded as a symptom of undertesting. 21% indicates a very high undercounting of cases.
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...but tests are only for people with symptoms.
I know it's the policy but I think it is completely wrong. Imo anyone so directly exposed (confirmed case at home) should be automatically tested after a couple of days to help them know and understand what they have to do.

Also so the BAG have a proper indication of numbers.
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Increasing tests combined with increasing positivity rate means you are ramping up your testing slower than the virus spreads. You are behind and have no clue.
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No, bunnehroo has it right. Anything over 5% is regarded as a symptom of undertesting. 21% indicates a very high undercounting of cases.
Yes I agree that we undertest.
I was simply saying that its the same as 3008 out of 14k.
Just another way to present
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another press release today at 14:00 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfoCE-RZOTI

new measures? Curfew? as suggested here: https://www.20min.ch/story/befristet...z-814975732718
Strange, I see it in your youtube link but there's absolutely nothing in the rest of the press - or even on the BAG website!

In any event, this should not announce anything new - that would need a BR announcement.
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