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Ireland have just reacted by going into a 6 week lockdown

So they'll come out of lockdown in early December allowing just enough time for cases to rise forcing them to return to lockdown sometime during the Christmas holidays



Interesting take. From today's Metro stats in the UK, deaths from breast cancer up 46%, deaths from Alzheimer's up 75%, deaths from bowel cancer up 46%, deaths from heart disease for males at home up 26%, Diabetes deaths up 86%, Prostate cancer up 53%, Parkinsons's deaths up 79%. Disgusting indeed
I'm not sure where you get your data from, but let's suppose for a moment it's true. If that means they didn't get the right care they needed because of covid-19 then why on earth are you against all those measures for limiting or slowing down the spread of it e.g. masks etc? The less cases of covid, the more care available for chronic patients. Honestly, you should make up your mind.
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Old 20.10.2020, 14:59
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Strange, I see it in your youtube link but there's absolutely nothing in the rest of the press - or even on the BAG website!

In any event, this should not announce anything new - that would need a BR announcement.
They announce it on Twitter

https://twitter.com/BAG_OFSP_UFSP

Edit : More exactly https://twitter.com/BAG_OFSP_UFSP/st...87858244706307
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I will wait till we have a fully tested and working vaccine. I will let you all try before I jump in
for very impatiens there is always russian vaccine, made from best russian veterinary vaccines
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Old 20.10.2020, 15:09
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If China can test a city in 3 or 4 days why don't we just test everyone then isolate them and those who live with them.
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Old 20.10.2020, 16:28
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Positive rate 21.1%

How significant is the positivity rate? Obviously that's rising daily with he number of cases .. But is it important? Just co-incidence that more people who bothered to get tested actually positive?

Does it actually provide any bigger picture view?
A higher percent positive suggests higher transmission and that there are likely more people with coronavirus in the community who haven’t been tested yet.

Source: Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
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Old 20.10.2020, 16:44
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So main takeaway from the BAG presser is that they are considering short, circuit breaker lockdowns.

Also claiming that aerosols are not a major infection route (much more droplets; I have some doubts on this) and basically admitting they have lost control of the outbreak.
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Old 20.10.2020, 16:53
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From today's Metro stats in the UK, deaths from breast cancer up 46%, deaths from Alzheimer's up 75%, deaths from bowel cancer up 46%, deaths from heart disease for males at home up 26%, Diabetes deaths up 86%, Prostate cancer up 53%, Parkinsons's deaths up 79%. Disgusting indeed
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What’s the time frame?
Well, you see, all these increased deaths due to the chronic diseases listed (all of which take literally years and in some instances, decades, to result in death) were the result of the COVID-19 pandemic, which in the UK has lasted roughly nine months so far. So, it seems that Dr Tony Clifton has uncovered an extraordinarily powerful correlation between mere presence of COVID-19 in a country and accelerated time to death from chronic diseases. There's no need to actually contract COVID-19; it just needs to be around.

Theoretical physicists are now working closely with bioengineers and Swiss watchmakers to harness this almost incredible property of SARS-CoV-2 to develop a time machine that will compress decades of elapsed time into just a few weeks of time travel.

(Side note: Metro! A fine reference journal.)

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So main takeaway from the BAG presser is that they are considering short, circuit breaker lockdowns.

Also claiming that aerosols are not a major infection route (much more droplets; I have some doubts on this) and basically admitting they have lost control of the outbreak.
Bizarre. Any lockdown would have to be at least two weeks to have effect, so I hope that's what they mean by "short". At the end of each lockdown, anyone with symptoms would have to be treated immediately, in isolation, or remain in strict lockdown.

And discounting the effect of aerosols is really courting disaster.
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Re: Coronavirus

Question and answer (in German) at 56'48": https://youtu.be/bfoCE-RZOTI?t=3408
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Old 20.10.2020, 17:53
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So main takeaway from the BAG presser is that they are considering short, circuit breaker lockdowns.

Also claiming that aerosols are not a major infection route (much more droplets; I have some doubts on this) and basically admitting they have lost control of the outbreak.
Thank you for sharing that!

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My German is not good, so if anyone could please share any further information regarding restrictions, more talk of possible lockdowns, etc., it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 20.10.2020, 18:02
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Thank you for sharing that!

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My German is not good, so if anyone could please share any further information regarding restrictions, more talk of possible lockdowns, etc., it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
You can watch this guy on twitter .. He summarises the news very quickly after press conferences etc.

https://twitter.com/CoronaEnglish

Quite useful for a quick bullet point of what's new
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Old 20.10.2020, 18:10
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So main takeaway from the BAG presser is that they are considering short, circuit breaker lockdowns.

Also claiming that aerosols are not a major infection route (much more droplets; I have some doubts on this) and basically admitting they have lost control of the outbreak.
Did they say that??? No way. All the choirs and Yodelei and church outbreaks cannot be explained by droplets in my view.
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Old 20.10.2020, 18:22
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Did they say that??? No way. All the choirs and Yodelei and church outbreaks cannot be explained by droplets in my view.
I guess the yodel and church outbreaks might be explained by close contact activities, maybe there's a kinkier angle we ignore
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Old 20.10.2020, 19:01
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Re: Coronavirus

My biggest problem with the whole mask wearing thing at the moment is, if I have to wear one for long periods then my sinuses start playing up. I hate having to blow my nose in case I get funny looks. I'm thinking about maybe putting a dab of Olbas Oil in each nostril to see if that helps. Not much more I can do as I've had sinus issues since I was a child.

I do wonder about masks though - if they are supposed to be so effective then why do the numbers still keep going up? Perhaps it would have been better to stop people travelling for a longer period of time? There's some suggestion in Basel the figures went up because people went off on holiday over half term. I just don't know what to believe any more tbh
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My biggest problem with the whole mask wearing thing at the moment is, if I have to wear one for long periods then my sinuses start playing up. I hate having to blow my nose in case I get funny looks. I'm thinking about maybe putting a dab of Olbas Oil in each nostril to see if that helps. Not much more I can do as I've had sinus issues since I was a child.

I do wonder about masks though - if they are supposed to be so effective then why do the numbers still keep going up? Perhaps it would have been better to stop people travelling for a longer period of time? There's some suggestion in Basel the figures went up because people went off on holiday over half term. I just don't know what to believe any more tbh
Tiger Balm for the sinuses?
I think you are trying to read too much into the numbers. It has been a very uncontrolled experiment in Switzerland - total failure of test, track and trace. Failure to implement consistent mask rules (until this week?). I think you have to trust common sense. There is no fixed boundary between droplets and aerosols - masks are going to reduce transmission due to both of these with varying degrees of efficiency. Reducing travel, in the middle of Europe and with so many foreign workers crossing the border every day, was always going to be a major problem.
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Old 20.10.2020, 20:09
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TBH, I'd rather be here than anywhere in the UK at the moment.
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Neuchâtel hospital is introducing measures due to the increase in Covid cases over the past week.
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:21
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Care to explain how current deaths from breast, bowel or prostate cancer could have anything to do with coronavirus? They're all long-term chronic conditions, any effect out of lockdown or out of health system capacity won't appear til next year at least.

For that matter almost all of the things you mention come in to that category.

Also, in the interest of balance, why don't you provide the full context to some of those numbers...
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This data is from the last 6 months and comes from the ONS. It shows that even after the lockdown ended the number of people dying at home is far above normal levels. There have been something like 28,000 deaths in people's homes, with only a fraction of them being put down to Covid. Some of these deaths would have normally happened at hospital, however this doesn't count for all of these additional deaths.

People are certainly dying earlier than they would have done as they have been unable or afraid to go to hospitals with have been entirely devoted to Covid. Many stories of cancer surgery being cancelled, the cancer developing and people subsequently dying (at home).

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I'm not sure where you get your data from, but let's suppose for a moment it's true. If that means they didn't get the right care they needed because of covid-19 then why on earth are you against all those measures for limiting or slowing down the spread of it e.g. masks etc? The less cases of covid, the more care available for chronic patients. Honestly, you should make up your mind.
The data shows that this is lasting damage even after lockdown has ended. Thanks to Covid! Slowing the spread of Covid is just prolonging damage being done.
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:47
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Something for everyone, lockdown opponents and proponents of strong govt measures. You have to move to China though.

https://us.cnn.com/2020/10/20/asia/c...hnk/index.html
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:49
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My biggest problem with the whole mask wearing thing at the moment is, if I have to wear one for long periods then my sinuses start playing up. I hate having to blow my nose in case I get funny looks. I'm thinking about maybe putting a dab of Olbas Oil in each nostril to see if that helps. Not much more I can do as I've had sinus issues since I was a child.

I do wonder about masks though - if they are supposed to be so effective then why do the numbers still keep going up? Perhaps it would have been better to stop people travelling for a longer period of time? There's some suggestion in Basel the figures went up because people went off on holiday over half term. I just don't know what to believe any more tbh
Maybe the number of new cases would be reduced if more people wore masks?
Stopping people travelling would also be difficult to enforce?
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