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Maybe the number of new cases would be reduced if more people wore masks?
Stopping people travelling would also be difficult to enforce?
I can tell you that in Pa, USA, masks have been compulsory in shops and any confined space for over 6 months now (since mid March). The lockdown in PA was far more stringent than in Zurich. And yet, PA has also witnessing a recent spike in infection rate; so what does that say about masks and their effectiveness? This virus needs to run its course and in my view, masks are not the answer...

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...#card-33568741

Masks only increase fear and allow people to "think" they are more protected then they actually are. The numbers do not bear this out - unfortunately.
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:25
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Something for everyone, lockdown opponents and proponents of strong govt measures. You have to move to China though.

https://us.cnn.com/2020/10/20/asia/c...hnk/index.html
Anybody seriously believe anything coming out of China?

As some of us have been saying for months: something’s not right. I’m still waiting for an explanation as to why exactly province (granted one the size of Italy) was shut down for all of 8 or 9 weeks after which the “new virus” supposedly disappeared altogether, and why, in turn, neither Beijing nor Shangai - both 1500km away with populations of 20m+ - had and have any issues to speak of, yet for some reason places 15’000-20’000km away, some of which literally locked in their people for months on end (or still do) - certainly much longer than China did with one province - have no results, however that may be defined. Also fascinating how China has steadily reported a couple of handful of “new cases” every day, despite reporting zero additional tests for months on end. But to realize that one has to dig into information a bit more. Even if it’s on good old worldometer.

Either China is lying their asses off (likely) and/or something else is going on i.e. this is about something else entirely anyway (actually also very likely).

Aside from that, even if everything was believable or logical: China is a dictatorship, the Western world is not. Yet.

But alas, let’s go back to focusing on positive PCR tests instead of asking some questions about things that simply make zero sense. I shall go and polish my tin-foil hat.
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:28
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"Masks only increase fear and allow people to "think" they are more protected then they actually are. The numbers do not bear this out - unfortunately".

I'm inclined to agree. I know people back home who have become completely paranoid about everything. For instance my S i L in London has pretty much decided she's not going back to her office at all, not ever, and she's now also paranoid and OCD regarding cleaning her house all the time because there's 5 of them at home.

On the other hand, my sister who's 67 is getting a bit rebellious. She told me last week if Scotland goes back into lockdown she's not paying attention. She has friends who've spent all summer going back and forward to their place in Spain who don't bother quarantining when they get back, seems nobody is checking up
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:35
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I can tell you that in Pa, USA, masks have been compulsory in shops and any confined space for over 6 months now (since mid March). The lockdown in PA was far more stringent than in Zurich. And yet, PA has also witnessing a recent spike in infection rate; so what does that say about masks and their effectiveness? This virus needs to run its course and in my view, masks are not the answer...

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...#card-33568741

Masks only increase fear and allow people to "think" they are more protected then they actually are. The numbers do not bear this out - unfortunately.
So masks increase fear AND make people feel protected?
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:43
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I can tell you that in Pa, USA, masks have been compulsory in shops and any confined space for over 6 months now (since mid March). The lockdown in PA was far more stringent than in Zurich. And yet, PA has also witnessing a recent spike in infection rate; so what does that say about masks and their effectiveness? This virus needs to run its course and in my view, masks are not the answer...

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...#card-33568741

Masks only increase fear and allow people to "think" they are more protected then they actually are. The numbers do not bear this out - unfortunately.
Reputable social media platforms delete posts that deny the effectiveness of masks without evidence.
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So masks increase fear AND make people feel protected?
In a nutshell...YES! Masks due induce fear and yet some do not wear them correctly... And given the evidence in PA and other states, they do not inhibit the spread of the virus on the whole. The numbers bear that out
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No problem here, we've never been accused of that.

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Old 20.10.2020, 22:07
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Tell me then, Komsomelez, how do you account for a spike in infections when most have worn a mask for 6 months straight?

And I should add here that Pennsylvania was in a very strict lockdown since mid March. Much stricter than most states notwithstanding countries (outside of Italy and a few others).
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Old 20.10.2020, 22:17
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Tell me then, Komsomelez, how do you account for a spike in infections when most have worn a mask for 6 months straight?

And I should add here that Pennsylvania was in a very strict lockdown since mid March. Much stricter than most states notwithstanding countries (outside of Italy and a few others).
I don't know and nobody knows. Czech is a similar case where mask wearing was strict, and now they are on a bad trajectory. Also Switzerland had reached similar infection rate like Germany in summer without masks. I earlier referred to a number of studies that show like 30% less infection with mask vs without, so certainly masks are only one component in a complex picture.
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Old 20.10.2020, 22:24
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I do wonder about masks though - if they are supposed to be so effective then why do the numbers still keep going up?
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Tell me then, Komsomelez, how do you account for a spike in infections when most have worn a mask for 6 months straight?
This is exactly the question everyone should asking about masks instead of swallowing the BS currently being served to them by various governments.
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Old 20.10.2020, 22:31
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This is exactly the question everyone should asking about masks instead of swallowing the BS currently being served to them by various governments.
For the sake of the argument, let's assume masks do not have any effect. I am still curious what your suggestion is for getting this under control. I assume the answer is something to do with herd immunity by letting it spread?
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For the sake of the argument, let's assume masks do not have any effect. I am still curious what your suggestion is for getting this under control. I assume the answer is something to do with herd immunity by letting it spread?
We need to wait for a vaccine and protect those most vulnerable. And let those unencumbered live their life. What is the point of living in fear when most under the age of 80 will not die? And what about unintended consequences of living in fear/ lockdown or semi-lockdown?
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Groundhog Day ain't got s--- on this thread
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Old 20.10.2020, 22:59
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I can tell you that in Pa, USA, masks have been compulsory in shops and any confined space for over 6 months now (since mid March). The lockdown in PA was far more stringent than in Zurich. And yet, PA has also witnessing a recent spike in infection rate; so what does that say about masks and their effectiveness? This virus needs to run its course and in my view, masks are not the answer...

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...#card-33568741

Masks only increase fear and allow people to "think" they are more protected then they actually are. The numbers do not bear this out - unfortunately.
There are other factors that are probably causing the infection rates to increase there, such as kids having gone back to school. And from what I've just read, it looks like Pennsylvania had eased up on many restrictions last month, which is most likely a major cause for a recent surge of new cases.

COVID-19 pandemic in Pennsylvania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...n_Pennsylvania
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There are other factors that are probably causing the infection rates to increase there, such as kids having gone back to school. And from what I've just read, it looks like Pennsylvania had eased up on many restrictions last month, which is most likely a major cause for a recent surge of new cases.

COVID-19 pandemic in Pennsylvania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...n_Pennsylvania
Masks are still required in all indoor/confined spaces - even gyms (one must exercize with a mask!). The mask rule has been in place since mid March. Indoor dining only allowed recently but masks still required. How did masks help?
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And so..Let's live in fear. This virus will take us all - Armageddon - and then some! So let's retreat and hibernate and let businesses fail and many die for reasons not linked to the virus. But it doesn't matter as the virus matters most!

Wow..On all levels! My philosophy is that people need to live and do what suits them. Those with commodities, need to protect themselves. All need to be cautious and respectful (wash hands/socially distance and abide by rules set by the government/canton) but life needs to go on and move forward. And for those who are healthy, they need to live their life and not live in fear of a virus which, for the most part, does not prove fatal for those under the age of 80.

Until a vaccine is approved, we need to learn to live with this virus in a way that works for most - not the minority (but assist and be respectful of that minority!)

Just my thoughts...
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And so..Let's live in fear. This virus will take us all - Armageddon - and then some! So let's retreat and hibernate and let businesses fail and many die for reasons not linked to the virus. But it doesn't matter as the virus matters most!

Wow..On all levels! My philosophy is that people need to live and do what suits them. Those with commodities, need to protect themselves. All need to be cautious and respectful (wash hands/socially distance and abide by rules set by the government/canton) but life needs to go on and move forward. And for those who are healthy, they need to live their life and not live in fear of a virus which, for the most part, does not prove fatal for those under the age of 80.

Until a vaccine is approved, we need to learn to live with this virus in a way that works for most - not the minority (but assist and be respectful of that minority!)

Just my thoughts...
Talking of Armageddon here's my riders for the early 21st Century version of The Four Horseman of the
Apocalypse which can be named as Trump, Boris, a hard Brexit and Covid19.
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Until a vaccine is approved, we need to learn to live with this virus in a way that works for most - not the minority (but assist and be respectful of that minority!)

Just my thoughts...
We're trying to do this. The problem is when the hospitals reach maximum capacity...who's going to take care of the non-Covid patients then?
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