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Like covid wouldnt be enough.....

(CNN)More than 200 former residents of coronavirus quarantine facilities in Australia are being urged to test for blood-transmitted diseases, including HIV, after authorities admitted they used the same blood-testing devices for multiple guests.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/20/a...hnk/index.html
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So main takeaway from the BAG presser is that they are considering short, circuit breaker lockdowns.
Reading between the lines, I guess this means they are in negotiation with cantonal authorities?
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There are other factors that are probably causing the infection rates to increase there, such as kids having gone back to school. And from what I've just read, it looks like Pennsylvania had eased up on many restrictions last month, which is most likely a major cause for a recent surge of new cases.

COVID-19 pandemic in Pennsylvania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...n_Pennsylvania

Any rule will not work if the compliance level is low. The other day, my driving instructor said that I can pull my mask below my nose to avoid fogging my glasses. His argument was that the government only asked to have mask on the face . Another example is on the boats on Thunersee. The enclosed cafeteria was flooded with unmasked customers while people sitting on the outdoor benches all had masks on. In my home country, Vietnam, we have a saying that even God does not interrupt people while they are having meals. Maybe the virus politely waits outside of the cafeteria .

I miss my home country. The dictatorship is really bad, but it helps a lot during this pandemic.
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For all you anti-maskers, are you aware there is a separate thread for this?

For those who say "the numbers are still going up despite the wearing of masks" - do you ever stop to realize just how high the numbers would be without them?

The virus is still transmitted because people don't wear masks 24/7 nor are they 100% foolproof - but the mandate for them on crowded public transport is absolutely necessary.
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:14
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We´re now less 5 people on our floor due to quarantine. One because his house mate was diagnosed positively, 5 others because they were in close contact with that person.


Hopefully none will have/get the virus, still the fact that we are still not allowed to work from home makes this rather cynical...
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We´re now less 5 people on our floor due to quarantine. One because his house mate was diagnosed positively, 5 others because they were in close contact with that person.


Hopefully none will have/get the virus, still the fact that we are still not allowed to work from home makes this rather cynical...
That is just such bs. I‘m so sorry.
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:44
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This is exactly the question everyone should asking about masks instead of swallowing the BS currently being served to them by various governments.
K-Tipp ran a test with the masks of random commuters coming off the train (admittedly, the sample size was very small). The masks were literally full of fungi and bacteria, who knows what else is on there.

I also very well remember how masks for the generally healthy/those with zero symptoms were deemed nonsensical for weeks or months, not just by Switzerland, but many or even all countries, and the WHO. Fast forward it's suddenly the be all and end all even if all evidence points to the contrary. Again, I don't give a flying toss whether I have to wear one or not, but that doesn't mean I can't ask questions. People still don't seem to understand that being critical doesn't equal non-compliance.

Then again I also remember how the entire world heard it was just "for a few weeks to not overburden the hospitals". Well that was 8-9 months ago. To speak of a "strategy" anywhere is utter mockery. There is no strategy, anywhere. Nobody has any damn clue what they're doing or why they're doing it, but God forbid that should be acknowledged.
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:54
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This is exactly the question everyone should asking about masks instead of swallowing the BS currently being served to them by various governments.
You can inform yourself here Face masks: what the data say
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:57
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K-Tipp ran a test with the masks of random commuters coming off the train (admittedly, the sample size was very small). The masks were literally full of fungi and bacteria, who knows what else is on there.

I also very well remember how masks for the generally healthy/those with zero symptoms were deemed nonsensical for weeks or months, not just by Switzerland, but many or even all countries, and the WHO. Fast forward it's suddenly the be all and end all even if all evidence points to the contrary. Again, I don't give a flying toss whether I have to wear one or not, but that doesn't mean I can't ask questions. People still don't seem to understand that being critical doesn't equal non-compliance.

Then again I also remember how the entire world heard it was just "for a few weeks to not overburden the hospitals". Well that was 8-9 months ago. To speak of a "strategy" anywhere is utter mockery. There is no strategy, anywhere. Nobody has any damn clue what they're doing or why they're doing it, but God forbid that should be acknowledged.
Full of fungi and bacteria; coronavirus is a virus and a virus was not mentioned so the masks worked?
You can inform yourself here Face masks: what the data say
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K-Tipp ran a test with the masks of random commuters coming off the train (admittedly, the sample size was very small). The masks were literally full of fungi and bacteria, who knows what else is on there.

I also very well remember how masks for the generally healthy/those with zero symptoms were deemed nonsensical for weeks or months, not just by Switzerland, but many or even all countries, and the WHO. Fast forward it's suddenly the be all and end all even if all evidence points to the contrary. Again, I don't give a flying toss whether I have to wear one or not, but that doesn't mean I can't ask questions. People still don't seem to understand that being critical doesn't equal non-compliance.

Then again I also remember how the entire world heard it was just "for a few weeks to not overburden the hospitals". Well that was 8-9 months ago. To speak of a "strategy" anywhere is utter mockery. There is no strategy, anywhere. Nobody has any damn clue what they're doing or why they're doing it, but God forbid that should be acknowledged.
We might not always see the strategy, though. Stocking up on ventilators...even wheat, gaining precious time.

Asking questions is good. If media censor it, they aren't by any means 'reputable media' as was labeled somewhere here last night. I hope the freedom of asking questions will stay, in media...at schools, anywhere. Otherwise people will not master the skill to ask the right question at the right time.
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This is exactly the question everyone should asking about masks instead of swallowing the BS currently being served to them by various governments.
You mean we should believe the crap being propagated by various alt-right nut jobs instead?
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You mean we should believe the crap being propagated by various alt-right nut jobs instead?
Like my favorite one by that Plandemic nut job Mikovits who said wearing masks would mean that we are "breathing in our own virus germs".
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You mean we should believe the crap being propagated by various alt-right nut jobs instead?
The laziest of lazy smears

Literally thousands of doctors and scientists coming out against the current Covid (lack of) strategy and/or masks, and that's the best you can come up with

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For the sake of the argument, let's assume masks do not have any effect. I am still curious what your suggestion is for getting this under control. I assume the answer is something to do with herd immunity by letting it spread?
Whether heard immunity is a possibility or not shouldn't affect how we tackle the virus now. It would be nice, but I wouldn't bank on it. We need to live with this virus and not hide away waiting for a vaccine which may never come. Take sensible precautions but just carry on with life. Keep on social distancing, work from home where possible, shops and restaurants should remain open, good hygiene, people should take responsibility for themselves and ditch the masks and one way systems because they're pointless.

Swedish epidemiologist Anders Tegnell was on BBC Radio 4 yesterday, and the man just talks so much sense. He said that Sweden will continue to avoid lockdown and he wants to relax it more, even advising the elderly they needn't completely isolate anymore, just avoid big gatherings and keep a distance. Furthermore, he said the evidence of the benefit of masks in society is very weak. We don’t have a good idea of where they should be used or to what extent, and that it’s dangerous to believe that masks will make a huge difference when there is an epidemic like this one.

We should really all just be following Sweden's approach because the biggest advantage they have over everyone else is the consistency. Whilst the rest of Europe is panicking and applying local lockdowns, changing the rules every few weeks, Sweden has just kept the same regulations and recommendations in place, this has led to a long term approach that is trusted by the population and is also easier for them to follow.
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The laziest of lazy smears

Literally thousands of doctors and scientists coming out against the current Covid (lack of) strategy and/or masks, and that's the best you can come up with



Whether heard immunity is a possibility or not shouldn't affect how we tackle the virus now. It would be nice, but I wouldn't bank on it. We need to live with this virus and not hide away waiting for a vaccine which may never come. Take sensible precautions but just carry on with life. Keep on social distancing, work from home where possible, shops and restaurants should remain open, good hygiene, people should take responsibility for themselves and ditch the masks and one way systems because they're pointless.

Swedish epidemiologist Anders Tegnell was on BBC Radio 4 yesterday, and the man just talks so much sense. He said that Sweden will continue to avoid lockdown and he wants to relax it more, even advising the elderly they needn't completely isolate anymore, just avoid big gatherings and keep a distance. Furthermore, he said the evidence of the benefit of masks in society is very weak. We don’t have a good idea of where they should be used or to what extent, and that it’s dangerous to believe that masks will make a huge difference when there is an epidemic like this one.

We should really all just be following Sweden's approach because the biggest advantage they have over everyone else is the consistency. Whilst the rest of Europe is panicking and applying local lockdowns, changing the rules every few weeks, Sweden has just kept the same regulations and recommendations in place, this has led to a long term approach that is trusted by the population and is also easier for them to follow.
Heard immunity? heard?

Again: The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

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Heard immunity? heard?
I thought we were all wearing the masks to strengthen up our ears for heard immunity? Don't tell me I heard it wrong!
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K-Tipp ran a test with the masks of random commuters coming off the train (admittedly, the sample size was very small). The masks were literally full of fungi and bacteria, who knows what else is on there.
I'd find it very strange if K-Tipp had done a test and found no bacteria in masks.

How did they conduct the tests - the standard "take a swab, put t on a petri-dish and see what grows?" or something actually worth writing about.

You do appreciate that the human mouth contains loads of good fungi and bacteria as well as bad?
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I'd find it very strange if K-Tipp had done a test and found no bacteria in masks.

How did they conduct the tests - the standard "take a swab, put t on a petri-dish and see what grows?" or something actually worth writing about.

You do appreciate that the human mouth contains loads of good fungi and bacteria as well as bad?
I bet they even found E.Coli



No, honestly. You will find them everywhere. Though never take a swab from your keyboard or cellphone if you don't want to put your mental health at risk
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...To speak of a "strategy" anywhere is utter mockery. There is no strategy, anywhere. Nobody has any damn clue what they're doing or why they're doing it, but God forbid that should be acknowledged.
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The laziest of lazy smears

Literally thousands of doctors and scientists coming out against the current Covid (lack of) strategy and/or masks, and that's the best you can come up with



Whether heard immunity is a possibility or not shouldn't affect how we tackle the virus now. It would be nice, but I wouldn't bank on it. We need to live with this virus and not hide away waiting for a vaccine which may never come. Take sensible precautions but just carry on with life. Keep on social distancing, work from home where possible, shops and restaurants should remain open, good hygiene, people should take responsibility for themselves and ditch the masks and one way systems because they're pointless.

Swedish epidemiologist Anders Tegnell was on BBC Radio 4 yesterday, and the man just talks so much sense. He said that Sweden will continue to avoid lockdown and he wants to relax it more, even advising the elderly they needn't completely isolate anymore, just avoid big gatherings and keep a distance. Furthermore, he said the evidence of the benefit of masks in society is very weak. We don’t have a good idea of where they should be used or to what extent, and that it’s dangerous to believe that masks will make a huge difference when there is an epidemic like this one.

We should really all just be following Sweden's approach because the biggest advantage they have over everyone else is the consistency. Whilst the rest of Europe is panicking and applying local lockdowns, changing the rules every few weeks, Sweden has just kept the same regulations and recommendations in place, this has led to a long term approach that is trusted by the population and is also easier for them to follow.
If you like Sweden so much, why don't you move there?
Sweden is now the favourite country of right-wing libertarians, I could have never imagined...
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I bet they even found E.Coli



No, honestly. You will find them everywhere. Though never take a swab from your keyboard or cellphone if you don't want to put your mental health at risk
I totally would if I was almost licking the keyboard 12hrs a day or taped my cell to my face for that amount of time. It is pretty easy to clean, though. Not sure what micro-fluff is shed from the mask but it kills my sinuses/nasal lining. I know there is nothing better right now.
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