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Old 21.10.2020, 16:56
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And the joke of the day (at least for where I work):
Homeoffice ist nicht nur eine Idee

Aber Berset betont auch: «Das Wichtige ist nicht, was wir Politiker beschliessen. Das interessiert das Virus nicht. Was zählt ist, was die Bevölkerung macht.» Homeoffice sei nicht nur eine schöne Idee, es sei wichtig, dass das jetzt umgesetzt werde.


Working from home is not just a nice idea, it needs to be implemented.


What is your employer's explanation that they "observe the BAG recommendation" yet still ask you to come in?

I am working from home like most others, but like in spring the office is open for those who want to come in, and there is some "soft pressure" in the sense that who comes in seems to get some extra points with the boss.
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Old 21.10.2020, 16:57
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5596 in one day...

I think I'm reluctantly going to do home office for the next couple of weeks. Which I hate.
Good idea. That's why they recommend it.
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:00
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You're supposed to weigh up the evidence and take a decision accordingly. The evidence shows us that masks are having an insignificant effect on the increase in Covid infections.
And I suppose you have the increase in numbers if we were not wearing masks for the same time frame? Would you expect the numbers to be lower?

Insignificant effect or not, its a simple practice we could do to help out in this situation. Really whats so difficult about wearing one?
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:00
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Re: Coronavirus

WHO publishing a study they probably didn't read properly. A meta-study that measured the fatality rate and the result is a median COVID-19 fatality rate of 0.23%

Read it before they retract it

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_....20.265892.pdf
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:01
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Re: Coronavirus

Strange enough, this guy, Ueli Mayrer said few days ago that we should avoid Corona Hysteria and to learn to live with the virus:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/bundesr...e-499294549862


Bundesrat Maurer warnt vor Corona-Hysterie

Die Schweiz müsse lernen, mit dem Virus umzugehen, ohne Leute einzusperren, sagt der Schweizer Finanzminister in einem Interview


Is it really a Hysteria?(perhaps maintained by the Mass-Media)
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:01
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Wallis has taken severe action

https://www.vs.ch/de/web/communicati..._p_mode%3Dview

Gatherings max 10 ppl includes at home
Closing cinemas, fitnesses, museums etc
No visitation in hospital, senior homes etc (except in hardship cases)
Restaurants must close no later than 22.00 (max 4 a a table unless its family)
Complete closure of nightclubs
No contact sports (some exceptions)
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Wouldn't be surprised to see 2 or 3 other Westen cantons following. Bet the German speaking ones still drag their heels, though.
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:03
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Strange enough, this guy, Ueli Mayrer said few days ago that we should avoid Corona Hysteria and to learn to live with the virus...
...and as I answered at the time, he's the least of the BR. Wouldn't trust him to speak my weight even if he had the correct number written in front of him.
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:16
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WHO publishing a study they probably didn't read properly. A meta-study that measured the fatality rate and the result is a median COVID-19 fatality rate of 0.23%

Read it before they retract it

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_....20.265892.pdf
Dated 20 May so rather outdated.

However, the Tagi picked up on this yesterday and did a rather nice job, fully referenced to other studies, of demolishing it. Big questions have been (justifiably) raised over the Ioannidis study concerning its data selection and its assumptions. For example, one study used didn't include and care home deaths.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/betraeg...t-338586215692

A more recent meta study from Meyerowitz-Katz here. Average mortality 0.68%, significantly higher than flu - and he believes he is undercounting.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01971220321809

The US CDC calculated 0.65%, Imperial College 0.66%, UK SAGE 0.5% and the University of Oxford 1.4%

The WHO's position is that they believe the rate lies in the 0.5% to 1.0% range, their working assumption is 0.6%, again probably a little understated.

Sorry, but at best that study is an outlier not in line with a large number of competing studies.
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:25
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Sorry, but at best that study is an outlier not in line with a large number of competing studies.
Sorry, but you're wrong. This is a meta-study, which means it captures a number of other studies and draws a conclusion based on them. This particular one covers 61 studies, so yes, quite valid, comprehensive and adhering to the most stringent academic rules for conducting a study. The fact you don't like it is an altogether different matter, but that's not surprising

And no, not from May. Revised version in September and peer-reviewed and published 14th October.
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:28
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So gyms will close in Valais? This is confirmed?
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:51
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Sorry, but you're wrong. This is a meta-study, which means it captures a number of other studies and draws a conclusion based on them. This particular one covers 61 studies, so yes, quite valid, comprehensive and adhering to the most stringent academic rules for conducting a study. The fact you don't like it is an altogether different matter, but that's not surprising

And no, not from May. Revised version in September and peer-reviewed and published 14th October.
I posted a comment on this a couple of times.

Funny how a peer-reviewed meta-study on serological data needs to be justified further (and conveniently is barely mentioned in any media, if at all), when literally all reaction and restrictions were and are based on a non-peer-reviewed mathematical model that has proven to be massively incorrect
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Old 21.10.2020, 17:53
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Sorry, but you're wrong. This is a meta-study, which means it captures a number of other studies and draws a conclusion based on them. This particular one covers 61 studies, so yes, quite valid, comprehensive and adhering to the most stringent academic rules for conducting a study. The fact you don't like it is an altogether different matter, but that's not surprising

And no, not from May. Revised version in September and peer-reviewed and published 14th October.

Yes, but Baboon only needs one line in a WHO publication to discredit it
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Sorry, but you're wrong. This is a meta-study, which means it captures a number of other studies and draws a conclusion based on them. This particular one covers 61 studies, so yes, quite valid, comprehensive and adhering to the most stringent academic rules for conducting a study. The fact you don't like it is an altogether different matter, but that's not surprising

And no, not from May. Revised version in September and peer-reviewed and published 14th October.
I understand fully what a meta-study is. So is the Meyerowitz-Katz study I mentioned. I also understand that he took 61 studies into his analysis out of over 5,000. I understand as well that almost all the studies date from the very early phase of the pandemic when the deaths hadn't properly kicked in relative to cases (given the lag of 4 or 5 weeks from infection to death.

He's been criticised by the authors of some of the studies he uses for misrepresentating their data. He has been crticised for using incorrect bases for infections or (particularly) deaths. He's been criticised for using unrepresentative populations in his analysis.

One of the studies he used was in Indiana which showed a fatality rate of 0.26%. Except this was the one I referred to that didn't include any care home deaths - which would have at least doubled the rate.

So sorry the reality doesn't fit in with your world image but I'll go with the scientific majority.
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Old 21.10.2020, 18:08
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Yes, but Baboon only needs one line in a WHO publication to discredit it
Strange as I mentioned one meta study, 4 further studies by particularly reputable sources and no studies from the WHO.

In fact, if you check back it was garburko that mentioned a WHO published study, not me.
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Old 21.10.2020, 18:16
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....when literally all reaction and restrictions were and are based on a non-peer-reviewed mathematical model that has proven to be massively incorrect
Still persisting with that lie are you?
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Old 21.10.2020, 18:26
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What is your employer's explanation that they "observe the BAG recommendation" yet still ask you to come in?

As it is a recommendation only. Earlier this year it was made clear that for people in a risk group working from home has to be made available but that is not in the recommendation either.



Funnily enough working from home is allowed for most of the admin staff in the production sites, just not at head office.....
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So gyms will close in Valais? This is confirmed?
Yes, starting thursday according to the cantonal website.
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next step is to burn books? or deniers?
Look up the ways social media is and has been used to recruit and organize terrorists and THEN try telling us that censorship on social media isn't necessary.
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Old 21.10.2020, 18:32
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next step is to burn books? or deniers?
The keyword here is evidence.

Of course, you are empowered to support the people posting false information without evidence or even to post such yourself.
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