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Re: Coronavirus

I remember reading that masks are mandatory for even small kids in Germany (I know they are in the US as well). I wonder if they will ever enforce that here.
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Old 22.10.2020, 17:51
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For us Vaudoise - there will be a press conference tomorrow at 13.30.
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Old 22.10.2020, 18:02
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For us Vaudoise - there will be a press conference tomorrow at 13.30.
Yesh.

I never thought my life was gonna hold onto these releases. That and bog roll.

Yverdon closed their main post office after 3 clerks got positive. Post is seeing a growth in demand, I hope it will make them re-open old closed stations and rehire the staff. Communities depend on them.
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Old 22.10.2020, 18:08
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Yesss! The Trader Joe is still there nearby, awesome brunch. I miss the ocean front walks.
I had a thing for the chips & salsa at the Stonestown Chevys

Not long ago I used to play football on the weekends at Lowell with the old coach and former students
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Old 22.10.2020, 18:26
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I had a thing for the chips & salsa at the Stonestown Chevys

Not long ago I used to play football on the weekends at Lowell with the old coach and former students
Love the nearby park.

Apparently that mall is like a party central for teens. You proly know my friends who went to Lowell. There is a nice primary/middle school and religious day care nearby too, I checked it out. And and and scouts meet there too and camp, can't remember if it was Golden Gate or Merced parks. It is a lovely area, better than downtown, what a mess. Except the Arch Art area. Spooky but lovely community. Creative.

Salsa is always good. But I can't forget all the Chinese diners..and poppy seeds muffins from Costco. Hi-chew. Weird fruits I've never seen before.
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Yesh.

I never thought my life was gonna hold onto these releases. That and bog roll.

Yverdon closed their main post office after 3 clerks got positive. Post is seeing a growth in demand, I hope it will make them re-open old closed stations and rehire the staff. Communities depend on them.
Could be an option
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Old 22.10.2020, 18:40
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Re: Coronavirus

Incidentally, CDC has published an interesting study that will see them revise 'close contact' recommendations

Essentially a 20 year old correctional officer had an accumulated 'close contact' with 6 new inmates who were asymptomatic over an 8 hr shift totalling 17 minutes. The inmates were quarantined (Mostly masked in the close contacts) until the results of their tests and the officer was always masked (cloth microfiber mask - effectively what you see most people wearing currently), gowned & almost always gloved while never approaching closer than 6 ft. and never more than a minute of interaction at any time (22 interactions in total, totalling 17 minutes - verified by video surveillance). All 7 tested positive

Officer had not been out of the area or exposed to anyone positive for 2 weeks preceding exposure

What it means ultimately is that close contact will need to be redefined but also that these surgical masks are far from ideal
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Old 22.10.2020, 18:55
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Officer had not been out of the area or exposed to anyone positive for 2 weeks preceding exposure
As far as they know....
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:08
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As far as they know....
Yep, this is true - it cannot be verified beyond a shadow of a doubt although there's also little reason for the officer to have lied considering the parameters of the study/surveillance. The evolution of being asymptomatic and many protocols being in place makes the study an interesting one in terms of controlling for as many variables as possible for transmission.

A real world study outside of these confines could never account for all the possible 'that they know of' circumstances

For me, it affirms what has been speculated since the outset - these cloth masks are a band-aid against an apex predator. If you can get your hands on FFP2/3, I would make sure you have a supply of it
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:18
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Yep, this is true - it cannot be verified beyond a shadow of a doubt although there's also little reason for the officer to have lied considering the parameters of the study/surveillance. The evolution of being asymptomatic and many protocols being in place makes the study an interesting one in terms of controlling for as many variables as possible for transmission.

A real world study outside of these confines could never account for all the possible 'that they know of' circumstances

For me, it affirms what has been speculated since the outset - these cloth masks are a band-aid against an apex predator. If you can get your hands on FFP2/3, I would make sure you have a supply of it
I don't think anyone really has said that medical masks are a 100% foolproof means of ensuring that one does NOT get the virus. But the fact is, we don't have too much choice. It's one of the few things we can do to try to help control its spread (as we all still need to go the grocery store, etc.).

The officer in that study could have caught the virus from a door handle or in a grocery store, for all we know. But one thing I do find a bit odd is that all those inmates were tested for the virus despite being asymptomatic. So this tells me that a virus was already going around in that prison, which in turn caused them to test the inmates despite them showing no symptoms.
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:21
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Re: Coronavirus

These were 6 new incoming inmates from outside the prison, quarantining until tested is part of the protocol
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:38
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For me, it affirms what has been speculated since the outset - these cloth masks are a band-aid against an apex predator. If you can get your hands on FFP2/3, I would make sure you have a supply of it
Masks do not protect you, they protect others from your coughs and sneezes. The infected people in that study were not always wearing masks......
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:47
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Masks do not protect you, they protect others from your coughs and sneezes. The infected people in that study were not always wearing masks......

They protect both to some extent.



“There was a synergistic effect when both the virus receiver and virus spreader wore masks,”
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:47
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I don't think anyone really has said that medical masks are a 100% foolproof means of ensuring that one does NOT get the virus. But the fact is, we don't have too much choice. It's one of the few things we can do to try to help control its spread (as we all still need to go the grocery store, etc.).

The officer in that study could have caught the virus from a door handle or in a grocery store, for all we know. But one thing I do find a bit odd is that all those inmates were tested for the virus despite being asymptomatic. So this tells me that a virus was already going around in that prison, which in turn caused them to test the inmates despite them showing no symptoms.
I have not touched a door going into a grocery store in 40 years if ever, why do you think he would have done?
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:50
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These were 6 new incoming inmates from outside the prison, quarantining until tested is part of the protocol
Okay, gotcha. I think that the fact that six of those inmates tested positive despite being asymptomatic is an example of just how widespread this thing is, though, with so many people having it and not knowing it.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to disagree about the virus's potential to reach beyond 6 feet (or whatever). But I don't think that study or case in any way proves an ineffectiveness of medical masks to help control the spread of a virus. Considering how widespread this virus is, the officer could have picked it up in the break room from another officer, etc.

And I think something is better than nothing. N95 masks are also expensive, and I don't think many people could even afford to wear those every day.

I was just out in my garden and saw two people walking toward each other on the path, neither wearing masks. One of the guys sneezed twice really hard just before he passed the other guy, who is elderly. I feel so bad for the elderly right now, in particular. Many of them must be quite frightened.
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Old 22.10.2020, 19:52
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I have not touched a door going into a grocery store in 40 years if ever, why do you think he would have done?
I had written "touched a door handle or in a grocery store."

I never said he could have touched a door handle in a grocery store.

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"There has been a growing consensus among health experts that the COVID-19 virus can be spread through the air. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) revised its guidance this month to say the pathogen can linger in the air for hours."

Now that is worrying!
during mutations it gets wings

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Re: Coronavirus

Small question to fatmanfilms: did you try to check your level of antibodies recently to see if there are any left? Just curious.
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Tony your link kind of shows the merit of wearing masks from viral load point of view.
...when under lab conditions, with perfectly fitted fresh masks, in a secure chamber and the subjects are two feet apart coughing directly into each others faces. Very little relevance to the real world, which is the reason that I posted it in the first place. We need a RCT study of masks being used as they are currently done so by the general public.

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Interesting... I just came on here and was going to post about how I was in Coop earlier today for about 15 minutes and at two separate times, two people who were walking very close to me coughed (the kind of cough where it sounds like they have a cold), and I found myself feeling thankful that they were wearing masks.

And then I saw your ridiculous comment.
The final part of you anecdote is missing... "and everyone cheered!"

Remarkable this happened twice to you in your 15 minute trip in Coop and it hasn't happened to me once in 7 months! Some people are just unlucky I guess
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Old 22.10.2020, 20:32
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Re: Coronavirus

Swiss people now seem to be taking it seriously. At least half the people I saw while walking the dogs today were wearing masks.
Back in the Spring, I saw some people wearing masks outdoors but usually, they were single people nothing like today.
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