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Old 23.10.2020, 20:24
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Well, it's Friday and I found this a bit funny myself.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-54660888

Maybe they should move the border temporarily.
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Old 23.10.2020, 20:31
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Well, we intentionally stayed home this year while our son was on Autumn break (which ended last week), because of the virus, whereas normally we would at least go to Europa Park to celebrate his Oct. 12th birthday each year. We also did not have a birthday party for him this year, which he was fine with.

But the fact that some people did travel for the holidays and that that will contribute to the spread in no way negates the fact that pubs can spread the virus. It's not mutually exclusive. And yes, indeed, pubs do contribute to the spread of the virus.
I guess I let myself consume by the impulse to blame others Thanks for contributing to the common good. That doesn't erase all the office talk until last week of traveling to other countries to visit grandpa and camp around the Titisee because it's cheap....and no quarantine on the return to CH.

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My son was put on military active service during lockdown. Nothing has been rumoured as yet with regards to his active status being reactivated. Obviously on a personal note, I hope it stays this way. If he gets a call up, I will post it here.
I was thinking about that. I remember you posted about your son's military service and being ready to support hospitals. Hope he's fine. Anyone knows what happened to military service this 2020/2021 period? Are there 100 people breathing the same air in a barrack?
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Old 23.10.2020, 20:40
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Re: Coronavirus

Task Force recommendation, allegedly (as everything is going down the drain, so is my self-respect - I am quoting Blick, Google translated)

https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/co...d16159881.html

The Corona Task Force therefore recommends the following measures:

The wearing of masks by young people and adults in all indoor spaces and in overcrowded outdoor areas (street markets, etc.)

Teleworking (home office) for all employees for whom this is possible.

The closure of entertainment and recreational facilities (cinemas, etc.) in narrow and poorly ventilated indoor spaces, where conditions allow the transmission of the coronavirus between people in close contact.

Restricting private gatherings, e.g. B. to less than 10 people

Restricting public gatherings, e.g. B. to less than 50 people

Restriction of the opening times of restaurants and bars, e.g. B. at 9 p.m.

Cessation of activities with a high risk of spreading the coronavirus, e.g. B. Sports with direct contact, singing or with wind instruments

Switch to online education only (distance learning) in all secondary and higher educational institutions for which such education is possible

Increase in the number of coronavirus test centers and the number of contact tracers

Regular tests of employees in high-risk environments
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Old 23.10.2020, 20:42
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Anyone knows what happened to military service this 2020/2021 period? Are there 100 people breathing the same air in a barrack?
I think you have a wrong perception about the housing standards in the army.
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Old 23.10.2020, 20:44
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I think you have a wrong perception about the housing standards in the army.

It's not the first and certainly not the last thing I'll be wrong about, what's the real condition?
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Old 23.10.2020, 20:54
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It's not the first and certainly not the last thing I'll be wrong about, what's the real condition?
According to my son, under normal barrack circumstances there are about 16 men in one room (sleeping head to foot during the pandemic). However on emergency manoeuvres then it could be around 100, but men would be more spread out.

During my son's service his troop was socially distanced and kept apart from other troops as they were sent to hospitals. However, they also built and manned some hospitals where they effectively slept on top of each other ��♀️

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Old 23.10.2020, 20:57
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Maybe they should move the border temporarily.
You trying to start a war?
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Old 23.10.2020, 21:02
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I guess I let myself consume by the impulse to blame others Thanks for contributing to the common good. That doesn't erase all the office talk until last week of traveling to other countries to visit grandpa and camp around the Titisee because it's cheap....and no quarantine on the return to CH.
No problem. Thanks.
Yeah, I think a lot of people became so comfortable over the summer that now they're not able to easily switch modes again and adjust their behavior. And of course, a lot of people also just apparently feel that they shouldn't have to adjust their behavior to try to help control the spread of the virus, but then of course, they're also the ones who then complain about having to go into lockdown.
Our son's friend's family went on holiday at a resort somewhere and then the day after they returned, they asked if I could babysit their two kids. I'm normally really nice about doing that kind of thing, but this time, I confess, I made up an excuse. Another friend wanted to send her son over to our house to play with our son even though her older, teenage son was very sick and awaiting the results of a COVID test at the time. Some people are just really careless and inconsiderate, I guess.
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Old 23.10.2020, 21:11
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Another friend wanted to send her son over to our house to play with our son even though her older, teenage son was very sick and awaiting the results of a COVID test at the time. Some people are just really careless and inconsiderate, I guess.
Sadly I see an awful lot of this attitude.
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Old 23.10.2020, 21:12
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Re: Coronavirus

On travel: We have been in Tuscany for a week in early October. At that time, Tuscany had much stricter rules and much less cases than CH/SZ. So I would say that our travel there was rather a risk of exporting the virus to Italy rather than bringing it home.
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Old 23.10.2020, 21:40
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I expect that, similar to spring, additional capacity will be created and personnel from army etc. deployed to assist medical staff. I hope there is someone working on this.
I just realized that the Covid Task Force publishes regular reports and recommendations in writing (did only find this in German).

This is worrying, if I read this correctly, the statement of running out of ICU beds does already include additional capacity.



https://ncs-tf.ch/de/policy-briefs/p...e-23-okt-20-de
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Old 23.10.2020, 22:17
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Re: Coronavirus

In a bit more than 8 months, the US have seen excess mortality of 300k out of which at least 200k attributed to Covid. Adjusting this to the Swiss population size, this is the equivalent of around 5000 deaths. Source: CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:07
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In a bit more than 8 months, the US have seen excess mortality of 300k out of which at least 200k attributed to Covid. Adjusting this to the Swiss population size, this is the equivalent of around 5000 deaths. Source: CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
And what are the other 100000?
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:11
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Re: Coronavirus

I remember when just over a week or so ago, learning that there were 700 new cases in one day seemed shocking. And now we're up to over 6,000 in one day.

Scientists have been warning since last May or June that there could (and likely would be) a second wave this Autumn. And now here we are. I realize that governments have their hands tied, to some extent, but I hope that they have at least tried to take some measures to prepare for this second wave. This is a good example of why, in my opinion, science should not be ignored.

I think they also need to not wait until "the shit has already hit the fan" to take stronger measures to try to control the spread of the virus.
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:20
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I remember when just over a week or so ago, learning that there were 700 new cases in one day seemed shocking. And now we're up to over 6,000 in one day.

Scientists have been warning since last May or June that there could (and likely would be) a second wave this Autumn. And now here we are. I realize that governments have their hands tied, to some extent, but I hope that they have at least tried to take some measures to prepare for this second wave. This is a good example of why, in my opinion, science should not be ignored.

I think they also need to not wait until "the shit has already hit the fan" to take stronger measures to try to control the spread of the virus.
Never mind science, I've been warning since June that the second wave would come in the autumn .. It was pretty obvious way back then that summer was helping.
Oh no everybody said, there's no evidence that it's seasonal everybody said..

But hey, it's here now and it's gonna get worse, at least in terms of numbers.. As long as we can still buy our christmas dinners and festive toilet paper we'll be fine.
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Theres festive toilet paper?

Does it come with christmas carol texts & a scent of ginger bread?
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:38
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Never mind science, I've been warning since June that the second wave would come in the autumn .. It was pretty obvious way back then that summer was helping.
Oh no everybody said, there's no evidence that it's seasonal everybody said..

But hey, it's here now and it's gonna get worse, at least in terms of numbers.. As long as we can still buy our christmas dinners and festive toilet paper we'll be fine.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly, with "never mind science..." but yes, many scientists were warning -- or trying to warn -- of a second wave happening in Autumn. Some people listened, others didn't.

I was just reading an article where healthcare workers in the US are talking about how stressed they've been, trying to help COVID patients and worrying about available hospital beds, etc. My heart really goes out to anyone working "on the front lines" right now and who has been. Anyways... Considering the amount of money that Switzerland has, it sounds like building a field hospital(s) might not be a bad idea. Better now than when it's too late, at least.
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Theres festive toilet paper?

Does it come with christmas carol texts & a scent of ginger bread?
I think it's peppermint-scented, and it tingles when you use it.
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:43
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I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly, with "never mind science..." but yes, many scientists were warning -- or trying to warn -- of a second wave happening in Autumn. Some people listened, others didn't.

I was just reading an article where healthcare workers in the US are talking about how stressed they've been, trying to help COVID patients and worrying about available hospital beds, etc. My heart really goes out to anyone working "on the front lines" right now and who has been. Anyways... Considering the amount of money that Switzerland has, it sounds like building a field hospital(s) might not be a bad idea. Better now than when it's too late, at least.
The issue currently in Switzerland is not money. It is decision making.
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I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly, with "never mind science..." but yes, many scientists were warning -- or trying to warn -- of a second wave happening in Autumn. Some people listened, others didn't.

I was just reading an article where healthcare workers in the US are talking about how stressed they've been, trying to help COVID patients and worrying about available hospital beds, etc. My heart really goes out to anyone working "on the front lines" right now and who has been. Anyways... Considering the amount of money that Switzerland has, it sounds like building a field hospital(s) might not be a bad idea. Better now than when it's too late, at least.
I mean we didn't have to be scientists to know a second wave was coming.. We had a mixture of coming out of winter and strict lockdown taking us into summer, where we were all outside and less risk of surface to hand transfer etc etc ..
This time around we're starting a few months early, the numbers will surely be much higher.

We'll be fine .. Most of us have been fine all year
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