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Old 23.10.2020, 22:46
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We'll be fine .. Most of us have been fine all year
I can only hope you're right... But the truth is, we've never experienced infection rates this high before, and we really do not know what the future will bring.
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Old 23.10.2020, 22:50
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And what are the other 100000?
Unconfirmed COVID-19 deaths.
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:26
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I...Scientists have been warning since last May or June that there could (and likely would be) a second wave this Autumn. And now here we are. I realize that governments have their hands tied, to some extent, but I hope that they have at least tried to take some measures to prepare for this second wave. This is a good example of why, in my opinion, science should not be ignored.
Sadly too many politicians have been listening to the likes of V who promised us there wouldn't be a second wave.

The SVP in particular have been fighting tooth and claw against any further actions and have brought us to the point where the economic cost is going to be massively higher than what it would gave been with decent early measures.
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:47
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Re: Coronavirus

Thread on what Berset has planned...

https://twitter.com/CoronaEnglish/st...48237704728582
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:56
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Thread on what Berset has planned...

https://twitter.com/CoronaEnglish/st...48237704728582

Berset recommends:

1. Mandatory masks outdoors (settlement areas)
2. Masks indoors (with exceptions, like sitting/eating guests)
3. Masks in offices (unless one is alone)
4. Events max. 50p
5. Privat events max 15p
6. Gastro curfew 22:00-06:00
7. Clubs closed
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English Coronavirus updates for Switzerland
8. Universities close - only online lessons. Primary and Secondary 2 school remains, but masks for teachers & students
9. Amateur sports only max 15p, no body contact, and with mask (if indoor)
10. Culture: Amateur rehearsals and concerts banned. Professionals: Choirs banned.
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Old 23.10.2020, 23:57
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Re: Coronavirus

Did the 1975 BBC Series 'The Survivors' predict the Second wave in 2020 ?

BBC Series The Survivors, second wave similarities
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Old 24.10.2020, 00:06
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Berset recommends:

1. Mandatory masks outdoors (settlement areas)
Can't help but wonder which EF member will go into a complete tailspin first if that's made mandatory?
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Old 24.10.2020, 00:18
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown.
Sweden's new cases in their second wave are now so high as the peak was in their first wave and rising.
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Sweden's new cases in their second wave are now so high as the peak was in their first wave and rising.
Pretty clear by now that in significant portions of the western world herd immunity will primarily be reached through natural infection rather than vaccination. There's a long long way to go before not at risk people get their vaccine. No earlier than summer 2021.

Sweden is maybe 1/3 of the way there. It might make sailing slightly less treacherous for here on in.

For me, the case minimisation doesn't work unless you eliminate. Which isn't possible with the type of freedoms we enjoy in the western world. Unless you on a small island. If we get to the other end without hospital overload we will have done ok.
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Pretty clear by now that in significant portions of the western world herd immunity will primarily be reached through natural infection rather than vaccination. There's a long long way to go before not at risk people get their vaccine. No earlier than summer 2021.

Sweden is maybe 1/3 of the way there. It might make sailing slightly less treacherous for here on in.

For me, the case minimisation doesn't work unless you eliminate. Which isn't possible with the type of freedoms we enjoy in the western world. Unless you on a small island. If we get to the other end without hospital overload we will have done ok.
While possible, I wouldn't say it is clear at all. Definitive specifics of how C19 immunity works and how long it lasts remain unanswered and there is plenty of evidence suggesting herd immunity is not a viable endgame. There is also the evolving mutations of the virus which are also highly unpredictable.
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Sweden's new cases in their second wave are now so high as the peak was in their first wave and rising.
waves not about cases, waves about deaths
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Old 24.10.2020, 07:26
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waves not about cases, waves about deaths
Looking at the Swiss curves it wil be another 3 or 4 weeks before they start seriously increasing in Sweden. But they will.
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The issue currently in Switzerland is not money. It is decision making.
In Switzerland it is always about money. Fear of the impact on money is exactly what drives the bad decision making and ironically has taken us to the point where it will now cost much more, both direct and economic impact.
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Pretty clear by now that in significant portions of the western world herd immunity will primarily be reached through natural infection rather than vaccination. There's a long long way to go before not at risk people get their vaccine. No earlier than summer 2021.

Sweden is maybe 1/3 of the way there. It might make sailing slightly less treacherous for here on in.

For me, the case minimisation doesn't work unless you eliminate. Which isn't possible with the type of freedoms we enjoy in the western world. Unless you on a small island. If we get to the other end without hospital overload we will have done ok.
Clear as mud:
"People are understandably tired and frustrated with imposed measures such as social distancing and shutdowns to control the spread of COVID-19, but until there is a vaccine, these are some of the best tools around."

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The false promise of herd immunity

https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...ea873-45049313
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Old 24.10.2020, 08:37
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Interesting article on the virus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54648684
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Can't help but wonder which EF member will go into a complete tailspin first if that's made mandatory?
How the f**k is the gym and sports closed in Bern but the restaurants and pubs remain open?!
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are we going to have case numbers and a press release today? didn't they say on Monday they would start sharing data on the weekends again?
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How the f**k is the gym and sports closed in Bern but the restaurants and pubs remain open?!
Because gyms are not so important for the economy ..
They employ less people, no interest to tourists, generate less tax etc etc..

Token gesture, probably won't prevent any virus spread but looks like something is being done.
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Old 24.10.2020, 09:09
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It's got to do with heavy breathing...Pizza doesn't affect me as much as my sprints.
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Old 24.10.2020, 09:17
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While possible, I wouldn't say it is clear at all. Definitive specifics of how C19 immunity works and how long it lasts remain unanswered and there is plenty of evidence suggesting herd immunity is not a viable endgame. There is also the evolving mutations of the virus which are also highly unpredictable.
Irrelevant. You are not permanently immune to the flu either - hence annual vaccination. Same applies to most diseases, with a few exceptions. Doesn't stop anyone from doing anything. To expect permanent immunization is insane, as is assuming that this particular coronavirus will go anywhere. The flu has been around for millennia, a vaccine exists since around the 1930s, and yet it still kills millions a year. There also isn't just one flu virus, but several and they constantly mutate. And a vaccine is just another way of achieving herd immunity - it's not either vaccine OR herd immunity, the very purpose of a vaccine is to obtain herd immunity - just via a slightly more targeted, controlled aporoach. Some people will die no matter what, as they do with the flu and many other contagious diseases. Again - can't control everything. The change of narrative towards a zero-case-zero-deaths-full-eradication "strategy" that occurred at some point is outright naive.

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