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How the f**k is the gym and sports closed in Bern but the restaurants and pubs remain open?!
Pubs aren’t open, all bars and clubs closed.

https://www.bernerzeitung.ch/jetzt-i...n-659740899142
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Irrelevant. You are not permanently immune to the flu either - hence annual vaccination. Same applies to most diseases, with a few exceptions. Doesn't stop anyone from doing anything. To expect permanent immunization is insane, as is assuming that this particular coronavirus will go anywhere. The flu has been around for millennia, a vaccine exists since around the 1930s, and yet it still kills millions a year. Again - can't control everything. The change of narrative towards a zero-case-zero-deaths-full-eradication "strategy" that occurred at some point is outright naive.
except it is relevant because it determines how many must be infected and how effective any "herd immunity" would be. C19 is much more contagious than the flu, and insidious, being that the viral production and spreading peak is before you feel any symptoms. evolutionarily speaking, the virus is much better adapted than anything previously seen.

and no one is advocating "zero-case-zero-deaths-full-eradication "strategy"" at least not anyone sane. this is about taking control, management and minimisation. masks and social distancing are our best tools to achieve that. not covid-19 infection parties.
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Old 24.10.2020, 09:44
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Theres festive toilet paper?

Does it come with christmas carol texts & a scent of ginger bread?
We got some with Rudolph on in Migros last year (because it was on offer). It’s quite fun at Christmas less so when you’re still using the same stuff at Easter.
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Old 24.10.2020, 09:46
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Considering the amount of money that Switzerland has, it sounds like building a field hospital(s) might not be a bad idea. Better now than when it's too late, at least.
My son was told in the Army that every school sports hall has the capacity to be converted into a hospital. My son's troop built three field hospitals during lockdown (Bern, FrIbourg, and somewhere else in the French part). I am sure other troops were erecting them too. I don't know to what standard these were built. Nothing like the Nightingale hospitals in the UK though.
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Old 24.10.2020, 09:52
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. C19 is much more contagious.
What makes you reach that conclusion seeing an estimated 1 bn people carry some flu virus every year?
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Old 24.10.2020, 10:02
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Austrian post office printing special coronavirus stamps on toilet paper

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Old 24.10.2020, 10:04
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Pretty clear by now that in significant portions of the western world herd immunity will primarily be reached through natural infection rather than vaccination. There's a long long way to go before not at risk people get their vaccine. No earlier than summer 2021.

Sweden is maybe 1/3 of the way there. It might make sailing slightly less treacherous for here on in.

For me, the case minimisation doesn't work unless you eliminate. Which isn't possible with the type of freedoms we enjoy in the western world. Unless you on a small island. If we get to the other end without hospital overload we will have done ok.
Where do you get the number for "Sweden is maybe 1/3 of the way there".
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As others have written, it is not certain that the possibility of herd immunity exists, possibly any vaccine (like flu) will be an annual treatment?
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Old 24.10.2020, 11:00
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Thread on what Berset has planned...

https://twitter.com/CoronaEnglish/st...48237704728582
Thank you so much for sharing that!

So if there is truth to that (and I assume that there is), then it looks like masks will soon be mandatory for children in primary and secondary schools.

Anyone here who has kids that age might want to consider getting some children's masks ASAP. I won't be surprised at all if they become very difficult to find soon. I have seen some fabric kids' masks sold in C&A (kids section) as well as both fabric and medical kids' masks in the Muller Reformhaus stores.

It looks like amazon.de has quite a few kids' surgical masks on their site but don't seem to ship here to CH -- perhaps due to their current restrictions regarding the export of masks, etc. (no idea).
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What makes you reach that conclusion seeing an estimated 1 bn people carry some flu virus every year?
There is a lot more to contagion than just the number of people carrying the virus.

Based on what we know so far COVID-19 is contagious for much longer than the flu virus and is contagious for several days before symptoms appear (if they ever do). It therefore spreads much more easily and rapidly than the regular flu viruses.
People also have some ‘immunity’ (from T cells) to flu viruses based on previous exposure either to a virus or a vaccine and can raise antibodies to them more easily.
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Old 24.10.2020, 11:30
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Ever more evidence that vitamin D in particular helps with the virus. A good piece from the Tagi here (requires registration) with links into a number of studies.

Definitely doing suppliments and salmon this winter.
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are we going to have case numbers and a press release today? didn't they say on Monday they would start sharing data on the weekends again?
No. They said they have access to the weekend numbers if they want but not that they would publish them. Probably still trying to delay the point when they have to implement the Berset/BAG list.
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Pubs aren’t open, all bars and clubs closed.

https://www.bernerzeitung.ch/jetzt-i...n-659740899142
Thanks for the article.

So gyms and swimming pools can remain open - as long as there at hotels and used only by hotel guests. Makes a lot of sense

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Old 24.10.2020, 12:05
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Our post-office and Manor also sells cloth masks, smaller and bigger sizes. But canton doesn't want people to panic, no mention over particular size. Here it concerns only children Sek I and Sek II so regular size masks will do.
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Old 24.10.2020, 12:37
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Our post-office and Manor also sells cloth masks, smaller and bigger sizes. But canton doesn't want people to panic, no mention over particular size. Here it concerns only children Sek I and Sek II so regular size masks will do.
Do you know if regular (adult) medical masks would fit -- or be okay -- for an 8 or 9 year old? I guess I have never tried one of those on my son before (only kids masks) and he isn't home right now for me to try one on him. Was thinking I might need to get the sewing machine back out today and try out some new kids' patterns that I found...
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Old 24.10.2020, 12:45
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Kids haven't been wearing masks since the beginning of corona hysteria and they have been more than fine, why should they start now?!
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Do you know if regular (adult) medical masks would fit -- or be okay -- for an 8 or 9 year old? I guess I have never tried one of those on my son before (only kids masks) and he isn't home right now for me to try one on him. Was thinking I might need to get the sewing machine back out today and try out some new kids' patterns that I found...
I think it depends on the kid and their facial features.
My feeling is that a regular adult surgical mask will still be too big for an 8-9 year old. They’re quite big and gape significantly on some adults.
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Kids haven't been wearing masks since the beginning of corona hysteria and they have been more than fine, why should they start now?!
To gain time to secure enough substitute personnel. Subbing isn't babysitting, it is very strictly regulated.
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I think it depends on the kid and their facial features.
My feeling is that a regular adult surgical mask will still be too big for an 8-9 year old. They’re quite big and gape significantly on some adults.
Thanks! I had a feeling that would probably be the case (especially with the gaps).

Time to get out the sewing machine!
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Do you know if regular (adult) medical masks would fit -- or be okay -- for an 8 or 9 year old? I guess I have never tried one of those on my son before (only kids masks) and he isn't home right now for me to try one on him. Was thinking I might need to get the sewing machine back out today and try out some new kids' patterns that I found...
My 9 year old daughter had to wear one a few times. They are a bit baggy on the side, so we just did a loop around her ears with the elastic. The mask tends to slip from the nose as well, since children obviously have a smaller nose bridge than an adult.
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There is a lot more to contagion than just the number of people carrying the virus.

Based on what we know so far COVID-19 is contagious for much longer than the flu virus and is contagious for several days before symptoms appear (if they ever do). It therefore spreads much more easily and rapidly than the regular flu viruses.
People also have some ‘immunity’ (from T cells) to flu viruses based on previous exposure either to a virus or a vaccine and can raise antibodies to them more easily.
But they alao have immunity for this otherwise we'd all have died by now (or at least many many many more).

And I'm sorry but it doesn't add up for me. It either spreads more rapidly but its mortality rate is enormously low, or it is more lethal but spreads less easily. It's obviously been around at least since December, if it was as lethal and as contagious, we'd look at a very different picture where many healthy (incl non-obese) young would've died. But that's not the case.
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