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Old 24.10.2020, 16:53
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In a regular year, Switzerland orders 1.2 million doses of the seasonal flu vaccine. These doses have already been ordered and will be delivered in late September and early October. This year the federal government is aiming for an additional 400,000 to 600,000 doses.
The objective is to avoid seasonal flu and SARS-CoV-2 co-infection, which could carry increased risks.

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Maybe they are all gone?
Yeah, I wish I would have asked the woman at the apotheke for more details. I know that November 6th is (or was) supposed to be National Flu Vaccine Day in Switzerland, too -- where people would be able to get flu shots without an appointment at participating pharmacies and doctor's offices. I guess they'll have to cancel that, then. I think I'll still call my dr's office on Monday, though, just to see if they have any and to see if they know when they might have them.

I did just find this article, dated September 24, 2020:

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Old 24.10.2020, 16:56
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Why would we try to save such drivers by law? Seems counter productive to me.
Seat belts, etc. are also about protecting people from accidents that were not caused by them. Many motorcycle accidents are not caused by the rider. And let's face it, a lot of people don't do things that are just common sense (like wearing a helmet) until they are forced to by law.

Also, these people have children and families, etc. But apparently you think the world would be a better place if we just allowed people to die due to driving home from work in icy rain, etc.?
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Old 24.10.2020, 17:11
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It's really disturbing how you instinctively label anything and everything as "fear mongering nonsense" when it doesn't conform to your narrative.

Masks are mandatory for primary school kids in parts of Germany (and in the US). Why would you assume that that could never be the case here?
I was just in the apotheke here, and two of the workers there said that they have heard the same thing -- that primarily school kids will soon have to wear masks here. I also saw a mother that I know and she had heard the same thing. Perhaps the rules will vary a bit by canton, though.

Here is a photo of primary school kids in Germany that was taken outside of their school:

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They'd be better off socially distancing without the masks.
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Old 24.10.2020, 17:35
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They'd be better off socially distancing without the masks.
Tell us again how well Sweden handled the pandemic?

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On October 16, Andrew Ewing, a professor at the University of Gothenburg gave a damning appraisal of Sweden’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic. “So many people have died unnecessarily because of the mistakes we have made,” Ewing told the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.
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Tell us again how well Sweden handled the pandemic?

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You're right, they're much better off huddling together because they have their masks on (at least one of them has it dangling under his nose )
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Old 24.10.2020, 17:46
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They'd be better off socially distancing without the masks.
That’s easier said than done for primary age kids. They instinctively congregate in close groups so even if they were well separated in the classroom it would be pretty much impossible to do during the breaks.

Having said that younger kids are not great at mask etiquette either, which was one of the reasons for not mandating it in the first place, so it probably won’t make much difference anyway.
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Why would we try to save such drivers by law? Seems counter productive to me.
It’s not the driver, it’s the other people they hit.
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Old 24.10.2020, 18:00
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Yes, I get the impression reading some of the posts. A lot of people are ready to accept drastic restrictions of freedom to save some lives. The rest of us are convinced that such restrictions won't save enough lives to compensate the dramatic losses that will themselves, ultimately, lead to greater loss of life.


And, if I might add: some of us believe that preserving basic freedoms is at least as virtuous as trying to prevent deaths that may very well have occurred otherwise during a bad flu season.
It's a face mask - you need to wear it sometimes. Perhaps some people need to get a grip on reality.


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Why would we try to save such drivers by law? Seems counter productive to me.
If seat belts were to be made optional - there are going to be a lot of dead and brain-damaged children who are passengers in the cars.
Probably quite a few adults too as they get smashed in the back of the head by an unharnessed child being thrown from the back to the front of the car, and maybe through the windscreen too.


Getting back to masks and the comparison with seatbelts - you're not really only wearing it so much to protect yourself but to protect others where even a basic cloth mask will prevent 70% of the virus escaping.
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Old 24.10.2020, 18:07
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In a regular year, Switzerland orders 1.2 million doses of the seasonal flu vaccine. These doses have already been ordered and will be delivered in late September and early October. This year the federal government is aiming for an additional 400,000 to 600,000 doses.
The objective is to avoid seasonal flu and SARS-CoV-2 co-infection, which could carry increased risks.

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Maybe they are all gone?
I had a flu shot on Friday. My kids on Thursday. We're in Vaud. No shortage here.
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Old 24.10.2020, 18:39
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I had a flu shot on Friday. My kids on Thursday. We're in Vaud. No shortage here.
Thanks. I was curious if anyone here had been able to get one recently or had had trouble getting one.
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Old 24.10.2020, 18:50
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Our post-office and Manor also sells cloth masks, smaller and bigger sizes. But canton doesn't want people to panic, no mention over particular size. Here it concerns only children Sek I and Sek II so regular size masks will do.
You do realise that Vaud just regulated the type of mask for schools. No fabric masks allowed. Only the blue disposable ones. So everyone has to buy them now. Genève also had prohibitions on home made masks on public transport previously, not sure if this was overwritten with the latest restrictions or not though. I do know that it's not as strict as VD in schools though.

It's my guess that such regulation of masks will likely spread to other cantons or federal.
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Old 24.10.2020, 18:50
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Thanks. I was curious if anyone here had been able to get one recently or had had trouble getting one.
I had mine last week but my doctor had included me in his orders for this season.
I’m not sure how easy it is to get one from the pharmacy here as I haven’t tried.
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Old 24.10.2020, 18:57
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You do realise that Vaud just regulated the type of mask for schools. No fabric masks allowed. Only the blue disposable ones. So everyone has to buy them now. Genève also had prohibitions on home made masks on public transport previously, not sure if this was overwritten with the latest restrictions or not though. I do know that it's not as strict as VD in schools though.

It's my guess that such regulation of masks will likely spread to other cantons or federal.
Interesting. I have only ever once seen child-sized disposable masks sold here. And that was a pack of 5 sold for 10 CHF (in Muller Reformhaus). All the other kids masks I've seen sold here are the fabric ones.

I even just now did a Google search to see if I can even find children's disposable masks for sale here in Switzerland and wasn't able to find any -- only the fabric kind.
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Old 24.10.2020, 19:00
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I had mine last week but my doctor had included me in his orders for this season.
I’m not sure how easy it is to get one from the pharmacy here as I haven’t tried.
I'm glad you were able to get one. Hopefully they're not as difficult to find as the apotheke worker told me earlier.

I had asked that apotheke about a month ago if they were giving flu shots there and they said yes, beginning in the middle of October (or so).

Hopefully I'll get some better news when I call my doctor's office tomorrow, regarding their availability.
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Old 24.10.2020, 19:02
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Interesting. I have only ever once seen child-sized disposable masks sold here. And that was a pack of 5 sold for 10 CHF (in Muller Reformhaus). All the other kids masks I've seen sold here are the fabric ones.

I even just now did a Google search to see if I can even find children's disposable masks for sale here in Switzerland and wasn't able to find any -- only the fabric kind.
Over 12 need to wear them and most over 12's I'm sure can wear the normal mask
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Fear mongering nonsense, primary school children are NOT going to be required to wear masks!!

They will (or schools will be closed), just wait and see. Children above 6 are required to wear masks in Singapore and it works.
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Thanks. I was curious if anyone here had been able to get one recently or had had trouble getting one.
I have an appointment for one on Monday, although I emailed my GP’s office about a month ago. I’m high risk if that matters. I get a flu shot every year, so maybe they are used to me. I have to see if I can arrange an appointment for my husband.
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It's beyond crazy the amount of cheering I see from certain people on EF on having a second lock down or restrictive measures, like somebody here mentioned they weren't social at all before and they were happy to be alone and isolated at home, they problem is they don't realize the majority of people aren't like that

If people would follow the rules such as social distancing and *properly* wearing a mask then there might be no need for a second lockdown but some individuals seem to be either unwilling to comply or incapable to.


Looking at the way how some members of society wears the masks one has to ask how long did it took them to learn to pull up and close pants before leaving toilet. Must have been a very long learning period.
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Old 24.10.2020, 20:04
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You do realise that Vaud just regulated the type of mask for schools. No fabric masks allowed. Only the blue disposable ones. So everyone has to buy them now. Genève also had prohibitions on home made masks on public transport previously, not sure if this was overwritten with the latest restrictions or not though. I do know that it's not as strict as VD in schools though.

It's my guess that such regulation of masks will likely spread to other cantons or federal.
That’s not true actually. In the mail I got from the department it’s said we have to tolerate any kind of masks from the students, as the parents will have to provide them from the 2nd of November. Next week only schools will provide disposable surgical masks.
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Interesting. I have only ever once seen child-sized disposable masks sold here. And that was a pack of 5 sold for 10 CHF (in Muller Reformhaus). All the other kids masks I've seen sold here are the fabric ones.

I even just now did a Google search to see if I can even find children's disposable masks for sale here in Switzerland and wasn't able to find any -- only the fabric kind.
I’ve just ordered 2 packs of 50 disposable child-size masks from DeinDeal at 8.95 per pack. They have it on permanent offer, delivers in 48 hours.
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