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Re: Coronavirus

Health personnel in Switzerland protests this week about working conditions during the pandemic. Started today in Neuchâtel, tomorrow in Basel, Genève and Luzern, Wednesday in Lausanne, Frauenfeld and Aarau, Thursday Fribourg, Zürich and St. Gallen. Saturday in Bern.

https://www.lacote.ch/dossiers/coron...travail-996442

They're asking that the rules of max working hours per week are not suspended again due to the emergency. From other perspective, they're just asking for max working hours per week in the law to be respected....or the magic solution: more money.

I'm surprised how they're not paid more when going above the max legal hours per week/month. If the emergency requires working extra time, the emergency should be enough to pax extra money.
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Figures from Schwyz are absolutely dreadful. Totally out of kilter with other rural Swiss cantons.

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Old 26.10.2020, 13:43
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Re: Coronavirus

Weekend, 17,440 cases
82,026 tests were carried out.
The positivity rate is 21.3 percent.
259 people had to be admitted to the hospital.
There were 37 new deaths.

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Weekend, 17,440 cases
82,026 tests were carried out.
The positivity rate is 21.3 percent.
259 people had to be admitted to the hospital.
There were 37 new deaths.
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So to understand better-

A- From the suspected population 21.3% tested positive. What does that indicate about % in non-suspected general population? Any idea?

B- From 82,026 positive, 259 admitted to hospital = 0.32% (technically more could potentially end up in hospital from the 82,026 batch)

C- From 82,026 positive, 37 died = 0.05% (again more could die from 82,026 batch)
The total numbers infected are probably several times higher. As in more than 2 and less than 10. My back of the envelope calculation based on deaths and working backwords came up with around 25,000 infections daily atm.

Presuming the infection lasts 14 days, a one week lag between infection and diagnosis and doubling every week that would mean around 1% of Swiss are currently infected. If you went to a wedding with 30 guests chances of someone being positive would then be around 1 in 4.

If you were in a big migros with 100 shoppers chances of someone being positive would be 2 in 3.

I'm a complete amateur (PhD scientist but not in this field) - but these figures seem to be in the ballpark of what professionals are suggesting in other similarly badly hit countries.

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Old 26.10.2020, 13:47
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Figures from Schwyz are absolutely dreadful. Totally out of kilter with other rural Swiss cantons.
It does make you wonder how many of the cases have been caused by contact with people at the yodel musical. Last I heard it, was being seen as the root cause for over 1,000 cases.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...reaks-12106509
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Figures from Schwyz are absolutely dreadful. Totally out of kilter with other rural Swiss cantons.
Hm. VS is at 1600 cases per 100k and 14 days. SZ just below 1000, right there with FR, AI, JU.
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Weekend, 17,440 cases
82,026 tests were carried out.
The positivity rate is 21.3 percent.
259 people had to be admitted to the hospital.
There were 37 new deaths.
__________________________________

So to understand better-

A- From the suspected population 21.3% tested positive. What does that indicate about % in non-suspected general population? Any idea?

B- From 82,026 positive, 259 admitted to hospital = 0.32% (technically more could potentially end up in hospital from the 82,026 batch)

C- From 82,026 positive, 37 died = 0.05% (again more could die from 82,026 batch)
No. Given that it takes about a week from onset of symptoms to hospital admission and then another 2 to 4 weeks to death, the 259 admitted to hospital and the 37 deaths mostly do not come from these 82,026 tests. They would have been tested between 1 and 5 weeks ago.

21.3% positive is a strong indication that we are undertesting but you cannot draw any definitive conclusions about the real number of cases. I believe the current thinking is perhaps 3 times as many as confirmed but there is little real evidence behind that that I can see.

Separately - is it a sign of just how bad it is that I was relieved the weekend number wasn't over 20,000?
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Weekend, 17,440 cases
82,026 tests were carried out.
The positivity rate is 21.3 percent.
259 people had to be admitted to the hospital.
There were 37 new deaths.
__________________________________

So to understand better-

A- From the suspected population 21.3% tested positive. What does that indicate about % in non-suspected general population? Any idea?

B- From 82,026 positive, 259 admitted to hospital = 0.32% (technically more could potentially end up in hospital from the 82,026 batch)

C- From 82,026 positive, 37 died = 0.05% (again more could die from 82,026 batch)
What are “82,026 positive”?
What does it mean: “from 87,026 positive 37 died”?
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Yes true, forget about all that!!!!!
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What does it mean: “from 87,026 positive 37 died”?

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Hm. VS is at 1600 cases per 100k and 14 days. SZ just below 1000, right there with FR, AI, JU.
Apologies - I meant the German side. And also looking at deaths in particular they look bad. More deaths in the last 2 weeks than any other Kanton is really bad given that its a relatively small place.
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Alain Berset told a news conference in Lausanne: “What we’re preparing now will likely last a long time. We’re not making decisions on Wednesday for Friday, we’re making decisions for the next weeks and months.”
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It does make you wonder how many of the cases have been caused by contact with people at the yodel musical. Last I heard it, was being seen as the root cause for over 1,000 cases.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...reaks-12106509
The yodlers seem to dispute that.

The "Schutzkonzepte" are (were) a joke for indoor events like this. Hand sanitizer and putting the chairs a bit farther from each other. But then again, if BAG still said as late as a week ago that they find aerosol transmission not a big issue, then what can one say.
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Apologies - I meant the German side. And also looking at deaths in particular they look bad.
Don't get me wrong. Schwyz numbers are atrocious.
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Alain Berset told a news conference in Lausanne: “What we’re preparing now will likely last a long time. We’re not making decisions on Wednesday for Friday, we’re making decisions for the next weeks and months.”
Going to be a long old winter that's for sure.

Well the only way it won't be is if we completely lose control now and everyone gets it - which would be even worse.
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Re: Coronavirus

I was reading a bit about the virus the other day and how it essentially dies if it cannot find a new host.

"So without the host, a virus doesn't live for very long."

The article* also talks about how COVID is an RNA virus and therefore easily mutates. So this to me is worrisome and tells me that we need to get this thing under control ASAP, before it mutates.

It sounds to me like forcing everyone to lockdown for at least a few weeks would indeed be a good idea. That's essentially what they did in Wuhan and why they were able to get the situation there under control relatively quickly. I know some people are against lockdown, but it would be much better to only have to do that temporarily rather than an alternative of dragging out this pandemic for another year or two at the cost of millions of more lives, etc.

*Coronavirus has evolved to spread. Here's how you can slow it down
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...ainer/12059904
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I was reading a bit about the virus the other day and how it essentially dies if it cannot find a new host.

"So without the host, a virus doesn't live for very long."

The article* also talks about how COVID is an RNA virus and therefore easily mutates. So this to me is worrisome and tells me that we need to get this thing under control ASAP, before it mutates.

It sounds to me like forcing everyone to lockdown for at least a few weeks would indeed be a good idea. That's essentially what they did in Wuhan and why they were able to get the situation there under control relatively quickly. I know some people are against lockdown, but it would be much better to only have to do that temporarily rather than an alternative of dragging out this pandemic for another year or two at the cost of millions of more lives, etc.

*Coronavirus has evolved to spread. Here's how you can slow it down
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...ainer/12059904
The good news is normally diseases mutate to become less rather than more lethal. As you mention the disease needs a host to survive.

Given this, it is not in the diseases interest to kill the host or indeed make them so ill they stay in bed and do not pass the disease to others.
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Also, if you remember, with the last lockdown, the majority of people in the grocery stores, apothekes and post offices were not wearing masks because there were none available then. So considering how available masks are now (and mandatory), I would think that another lockdown phase might be even more successful this time, in helping to get those numbers way down.
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Also, if you remember, with the last lockdown, the majority of people in the grocery stores, apothekes and post offices were not wearing masks because there were none available then. So considering how available masks are now (and mandatory), I would think that another lockdown phase might be even more successful this time, in helping to get those numbers way down.
Cases would just rise again after the lockdown. Its really not the answer unless you are going for an extermination policy (and we are way, way to late for that). Lockdown should only be a last roll of the dice to avoid hospitals being overwhelmed.

We have 4 months of winter coming up. We need to find the right balance to keep things under control longer term or it'll be repeated lockdowns.
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