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Reports that France will announce she is going into lockdown tonight with the caveat that schools will remain open!
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Okay, advice needed. Our chimney sweep came to the house yesterday to arrange to do his annual check of the boiler today. He called me a little while ago to say he couldn't come because he got a phone call last night to say he has to go into quarantine. Does that mean we need to as well? He kept his distance although he wasn't wearing a mask. Checked the FOPH site, but not really clear if we need to quarantine as well or not.
Don't think so. It says "contact with infected person", which he had, but you likely not.
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Old 28.10.2020, 08:20
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Don't think so. It says "contact with infected person", which he had, but you likely not.
Yeah, I just ran the virus check on the FOPH site and it says no need to quarantine, but obviously take precautions and keep an eye on our health for any symptoms appearing.
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From what I’ve been reading in the Swiss papers, it seems like there isn’t going to be anything close to a lockdown.
20 Minuten have previously been fairly accurate with their predictions, you can see what they are expecting here.

The one where I was expecting more was restaurants. They are predicting a 23:00 close; I was expecting more like 18:00 (and if they actually want to reduce numbers they really must do that).

However, the mere fact of the number of infections is already keeping people away from restaurants. The Tagi are reporting that shops (except supermarkets) and restaurants are already empty. Anecdotally, a restaurant owning friend has told me 95% of his christmas bookings have cancelled.
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From what I’ve been reading in the Swiss papers, it seems like there isn’t going to be anything close to a lockdown.
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Reports that France will announce she is going into lockdown tonight with the caveat that schools will remain open!
Obviously it's a guessing game .. But I think the priority now (in the mind of the gov) is to protect Christmas, both the event in terms of the feel good factor and keeping people happy plus all of the commerce and revenue that goes with it..

A 4 week attack on 'the numbers' now will open things up again just in time for the Christmas rush .. Where we'll all mix and get infected again but hey.. That's to worry about in the new year.
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Obviously it's a guessing game .. But I think the priority now (in the mind of the gov) is to protect Christmas, both the event in terms of the feel good factor and keeping people happy plus all of the commerce and revenue that goes with it..

A 4 week attack on 'the numbers' now will open things up again just in time for the Christmas rush .. Where we'll all mix and get infected again but hey.. That's to worry about in the new year.
you make a logical argument, and I am sure they have considered it, but I think the short-term vs. long-term politics at play mean that there will only be lockdowns if the individual cantons decide to do so because their hospitals are completely overwhelmed..
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Obviously it's a guessing game .. But I think the priority now (in the mind of the gov) is to protect Christmas, both the event in terms of the feel good factor and keeping people happy plus all of the commerce and revenue that goes with it..

A 4 week attack on 'the numbers' now will open things up again just in time for the Christmas rush .. Where we'll all mix and get infected again but hey.. That's to worry about in the new year.
For the likes of GB or France, anyway. But here I don't think the BR have the guts to do anything even that decisive.
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Old 28.10.2020, 08:40
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there will only be lockdowns if the individual cantons decide to do so because their hospitals are completely overwhelmed..
This is an interesting thought. Can the individual cantons decide NOT to implement a nationwide lockdown? BL and BS have been holding up quite well, following the rules, numbers down, etc. As much as I doubt that any individual canton will go against Bern, I am just curious about the legality of it all.
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Obviously it's a guessing game .. But I think the priority now (in the mind of the gov) is to protect Christmas, both the event in terms of the feel good factor and keeping people happy plus all of the commerce and revenue that goes with it..

A 4 week attack on 'the numbers' now will open things up again just in time for the Christmas rush .. Where we'll all mix and get infected again but hey.. That's to worry about in the new year.
The flip side of that is also the winter sports economy that begins around Christmas time. How many ski resorts, that are horrendously expensive to run, could survive a lockdown in the new year? This is the fundamental problem with lockdowns, people need to start behaving more sensibly.
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BL and BS have been holding up quite well, following the rules, numbers down, etc.
I've been pleasantly surprised at how well my former city (BS) has held up... I wonder if it has to do with the 2 major employers (Roche & Novartis) making home office possible since the Spring?
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This is an interesting thought. Can the individual cantons decide NOT to implement a nationwide lockdown? BL and BS have been holding up quite well, following the rules, numbers down, etc. As much as I doubt that any individual canton will go against Bern, I am just curious about the legality of it all.
If the FC declares an "extraordinary situation" again, the powers are with Berne and the cantons have to execute. I don't think there is too much appetite for this in Berne - but "hospitals completely overwhelmed" would sound pretty extraordinary to me.
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Old 28.10.2020, 09:05
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I've been pleasantly surprised at how well my former city (BS) has held up... I wonder if it has to do with the 2 major employers (Roche & Novartis) making home office possible since the Spring?
I am in the office every day and indeed, it's probably only around 20% full. At the same time, trams, public transport, shops...everyone is with a mask, social distancing, hand sanitizer everywhere.


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If the FC declares an "extraordinary situation" again, the powers are with Berne and the cantons have to execute.
Yeah, makes sense. I was just curious.
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Re: Coronavirus

We, as a Restaurant, are expecting a 10pm clossing time to be anounced.

If it gets worse, then a lockdown of restaurants!

keep yr heads (and masks) up y'all

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Old 28.10.2020, 09:13
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We, as a Restaurant, are expecting a 10pm clossing time to be anounced.
Which is basically an extension to the working time for most Swiss, who happen to have finished dinner by 20:30 in winter .
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We, as a Restaurant, are expecting a 10pm clossing time to be anounced.

If it gets worse, then a lockdown of restaurants!

keep yr heads (and masks) up y'all

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In your view, does a 10 pm closing make things really different? Isn't rather the problem that there are less and less customers during the day because people don't go out that much? I am just wondering to what extent a restaurant might be better off being closed by the government, and then maybe can get some support from insurance, getting out of other obligations etc.
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Swiss intensive care units set to reach capacity in 15 days https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-i...-days/46123634

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“We now collect bed numbers daily. In the intensive care units, the number of free beds is now collected twice a day,” Andreas Stettbacher, the government delegate for the Coordinated Medical Service, told a press conference in Bern on Tuesday.

“I don’t have good news. Unless we take action, ICU beds will be fully occupied in 15 days.”

The figures would be published twice a week, he said.

At the same press conference, the head of the federal Covid-19 taskforce repeatedly stressed the gravity of the situation. Many cantons had taken effective measures, but the public was not behaving appropriately. “Stay at home whenever possible,” Martin Ackermann urged.

People are not restricting their mobility as they did in mid-March, he said. The mobility level is currently much higher than at the peak of the first coronavirus wave.

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The flip side of that is also the winter sports economy that begins around Christmas time. How many ski resorts, that are horrendously expensive to run, could survive a lockdown in the new year? This is the fundamental problem with lockdowns, people need to start behaving more sensibly.
Ski areas demand tough measures
"The corona pandemic is likely to slow down Swiss tourism once again in the winter season. The economic research institute KOF estimates that overnight stays will decrease by 30 percent. Overall, the industry must expect a loss of over CHF 10 billion in 2020.

Quarantine regulations should also keep foreign guests away from Switzerland over the winter. On the other hand, there is hope that residents will close at least part of this gap and increasingly flock to the ski areas. The winter sports regions are therefore calling for tough measures to quickly reduce the number of cases. If strict measures were implemented now, the number of cases could perhaps normalize again for Christmas business, which is the great hope of many mountain railways."
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The flip side of that is also the winter sports economy that begins around Christmas time. How many ski resorts, that are horrendously expensive to run, could survive a lockdown in the new year?
This is possibly the one thing that might push the BR into action now.

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This is the fundamental problem with lockdowns, people need to start behaving more sensibly.
Except the clear experience is that without a lockdown (or at least the Swiss version of one), they don't.
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In my opinion, I think it would be extremely irresponsible to wait until there are no ICU beds available to impose another lockdown. They must try to "stay ahead of the game" on this. As it is now, it is projected that they will run out of ICU beds in 11 to 15 days.

I've been told that The Local isn't necessarily the most reliable publication, but I did come across the article, dated yesterday (which appears to not require a subscription), and I have no reason to doubt its content, at least:

Lockdown looms likely as Switzerland reaches 'mid-March levels'
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"On Tuesday October 27th, the Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH) detected a total of 5,949 new cases over the past 24 hours.

There were sixteen deaths and 167 hospital admissions nationwide.

The new numbers came from 20,709 tests - meaning there was a 28.7 percent test positivity rate - a major concern for Swiss authorities.

Martin Ackermann, President of the National COVID-19 Science Task Force, told the press conference “we have no time to lose”.

“We have more hospitalisations and more deaths than we had in March. But we aren’t reacting in the same way,” he said.

“The movement data shows that we are not reducing our mobility enough.”

While in March the Swiss public reduced its mobility to around 25 percent of normal levels, currently people are moving around at 75 percent of normal levels.


Ackermann told the press conference that even though efforts were being made to expand the country’s capacity of hospital beds, only reducing the number of new infections would see hospital capacity preserved.

"If we can increase the number of places in intensive care units by 200, we would only gain 32 hours," he said.

“There are currently no alternatives to drastic measures.

“Stay at home whenever possible.”

Andreas Stettbacher, Federal Council delegate for the coordinated medical service (KSD), said that at current hospitalisation rates, the country’s ICU capacity would be exhausted in 15 days.


Of the 22,183 acute beds remaining in Switzerland, 16,328 are currently occupied. A total of 1,071 beds are available in intensive care units across the country, 725 of which are occupied."

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Assuming these numbers are correct, this means that 74% of acute beds are currently full, and 68% of ICU beds are currently full. And here we are... Winter hasn't even officially begun. We are just at the beginning of this "second wave."
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