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Personally, I think there are more measures that the government can impose that would allow businesses to remain open and (hopefully) get the virus situation under some degree of control.

I know some teachers or parents might not like this idea, but I think that having all kids do home school again is one such method. I've read that there seems to be some denial of young kids transmitting the virus, but anyone who has ever had kids in school should know how easily they bring viruses home from other students, and there is no real reason or evidence to believe that the COVID virus is any different in that regard, is there?

Also, I think they should start limiting the number of people allowed in stores again and perhaps also disinfecting like crazy as they were last Spring. I think a lot of behavior such as that was really loosened up over the summer when people had become comfortable again. And limiting the # of people allowed in stores might help stop people from going to the stores too often. There are a lot of people in our neighborhood, at least, who go to the grocery store daily.
I always do my best to keep distance while for example waiting in line at the cashier. However on more than one occasion the ppl behind me were not. Astonishingly 90% of those were ppl well above 60. The ones we are suppose to protect extra, it is somewhat difficult to do if they themselves dont seem to respect distancing....
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Old 28.10.2020, 12:13
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They touch a million things and are unmasked! I stay well clear of those little critters


Btw, I read the Lancet link you posted regarding China, and I am still not clear on how China is controlling the numbers so well. That Lancet article seems like an info commercial for China

I find it hard to believe that a country of billion plus has hardly any new cases, specially as herd immunity apparently is not working that well against Corona.

One of the biggest things I learned from this crisis is how the west sold out their manufacturing base to China. Can't even buy non-Chinese masks!!!
Well, China has had its borders open to non-nationals for quite a while (Visa holders), so I think that if the situation was really bad there again, that would have been "leaked" by people visiting and traveling there. It will be interesting to see if a bad second wave emerges there as it is here in Europe. I think that article made a good point about Chinese people having a more realistic understanding of pandemics and what can happen as well as their mentality of doing something for the good of the whole.
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Old 28.10.2020, 12:15
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Personally, I think there are more measures that the government can impose that would allow businesses to remain open and (hopefully) get the virus situation under some degree of control.

I know some teachers or parents might not like this idea, but I think that having all kids do home school again is one such method. I've read that there seems to be some denial of young kids transmitting the virus, but anyone who has ever had kids in school should know how easily they bring viruses home from other students, and there is no real reason or evidence to believe that the COVID virus is any different in that regard, is there?

Also, I think they should start limiting the number of people allowed in stores again and perhaps also disinfecting like crazy as they were last Spring. I think a lot of behavior such as that was really loosened up over the summer when people had become comfortable again. And limiting the # of people allowed in stores might help stop people from going to the stores too often. There are a lot of people in our neighborhood, at least, who go to the grocery store daily.
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One infected parent, their kids mixed with about a dozen other kids and parents (over the few days before infection was confirmed) including playing, eating, staying overnight with each other etc.

Nobody else caught it, kids or other parent, including same household as the primary.
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Re: Coronavirus

Looks like they've found a way to save ski/winter tourist season.

https://www.blick.ch/politik/zahlrei...d16165367.html

If you are just as bad (or slightly worse) than we are, come on over and bring your skis and wallet!
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Looks like they've found a way to save ski/winter tourist season.

https://www.blick.ch/politik/zahlrei...d16165367.html

If you are just as bad (or slightly worse) than we are, come on over and bring your skis and wallet!
With the Swiss case numbers, the issue is more the quarantine requirement in the home country.
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They touch a million things and are unmasked! I stay well clear of those little critters


Btw, I read the Lancet link you posted regarding China, and I am still not clear on how China is controlling the numbers so well. That Lancet article seems like an info commercial for China

I find it hard to believe that a country of billion plus has hardly any new cases, specially as herd immunity apparently is not working that well against Corona.

One of the biggest things I learned from this crisis is how the west sold out their manufacturing base to China. Can't even buy non-Chinese masks!!!
Just stumbled across this article - dang....talk about testing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...uster/12816224
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From recent personal experience..
One infected parent, their kids mixed with about a dozen other kids and parents (over the few days before infection was confirmed) including playing, eating, staying overnight with each other etc.

Nobody else caught it, kids or other parent, including same household as the primary.
But this is the problem with anecdotal observations. My recent experience involved 1 positive child in a primary classroom, which then turned into 3 children infected plus one peripheral adult in a household. One of the issues now is test results are taking up to 4 days and people don't isolate waiting for results.

Is it ok to groan/laugh that local said school decided the best way to address the outbreak in primary classes was to hold a (wait for it) an all-grade assembly about handwashing the day everyone returned from holiday.
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Old 28.10.2020, 12:33
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Through my personal observation only, it feels as if we’ve hit a plateau or even peaked with new infections here in Schwyz. I’m optimistic that we’ll see a downwards trend next week again.
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Skiing *should* be great this year.. Hardly any tourists!!

Fingers crossed but I'm not buying any passes yet
I miss it so much. But. Thinking how to build in a respirator to my helmet with already built in visor isn't on my to do list. Yet. There might be shortage of staff, maintenance, all. I do hope to have at least a bit of a season but mostly to chip in with small community ski-slopes/lifts so they survive.

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We can to a very large extent control this ourselves .. We can't completely rely on the government to fix it.
This. Cantons are given a short period of time to act. We should support them and share the responsibility. Gov will come up with something, as they always do, knowing they gotta pick up the tab for fed decisions and consequences.

If you look at CZ, 1st they closed for two weeks, now planned for more. The immunologists there say that the 1/5 of population is immune by now but. The immunity is short and varies. They do not think that xmas is on the list, either. CH is where CZ was 10 days ago or a wk ago.

We gotta buckle down, risk the least, being preventative. I wouldn't wait for measures to become stricter, everyone I know who like me has to move a lot and mingle, already is in an emergency mode. But.without the panic that media feeds.
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No!
Why the exclamatiom mark?
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Re: Coronavirus

Was somewhat miffed yesterday, went to a friends place to pick up a few items.
Turned out her youngest daughter was running a fever, which of course can be anything considering it is a child. But I think she should have told me before, so I could have made a decision wether to go or not instead of 30 min later... oh btw
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Old 28.10.2020, 12:37
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From recent personal experience..
One infected parent, their kids mixed with about a dozen other kids and parents (over the few days before infection was confirmed) including playing, eating, staying overnight with each other etc.

Nobody else caught it, kids or other parent, including same household as the primary.
Yeah, it's a bit confusing because on the one hand, I've seen articles saying that small children do not transmit the virus easily and then I've seen other articles saying that they can get the virus just as easily as adults and can spread it just as easily.

I know that our pediatrician's office has had at least 10 cases of their patients testing positive for the virus (and probably more since then, as it was last June when I asked them).

So out of curiosity, I just did a google search and found this:

Do Children Spread COVID-19? Paediatricians Break Down What We Know So Far
https://www.sciencealert.com/paediat...o-get-covid-19

"But current research shows that children are physiologically just as likely to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 as adults.

This discrepancy between case numbers and biological susceptibility may be due to the fact that children generally generally have minimal to mild symptoms when infected with the coronavirus and are therefore less likely to get tested.

Small children may have weaker coughs and therefore would release fewer infectious virus particles into their environment. A recent study from South Korea found that while young children seem less able to spread the disease compared to adults, children 10 to 19 years old spread the virus at least as well as the adults do.

The lack of evidence that children are major sources of transmission may simply be because the pathway of infection was interrupted due to the nationwide school closures in the spring. As children resume more of their normal daily activities – like school, sports and day care – we just might find the answer to how easily children spread this dangerous virus."

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It just doesn't make sense to me to think of small kids as not being able to transmit the virus. They're constantly picking their noses, don't cover their mouths when they cough, etc. (even after being told to). It's not like the virus think "Oh, this is a small child. I won't infect him" or "Oh, this is a small child. I won't transmit from this child to anyone else." The only thing that virus 'cares' about is finding new hosts and replicating.
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Old 28.10.2020, 12:47
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If you look at CZ, 1st they closed for two weeks, now planned for more. The immunologists there say that the 1/5 of population is immune by now but. The immunity is short and varies. They do not think that xmas is on the list, either. CH is where CZ was 10 days ago or a wk ago.
Just out of curiosity, MC... Did the two-week shut-down there in CZ seem to have any positive effects on helping to bring the numbers down? Did they close all schools as well as businesses?

I was trying to remember earlier how long we were shut down here in CH last Spring, with all the businesses being closed (though I know we slowly opened everything back up in three phases).
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Just out of curiosity, MC... Did the two-week shut-down there in CZ seem to have any positive effects on helping to bring the numbers down? Did they close all schools as well as businesses?

I was trying to remember earlier how long we were shut down here in CH last Spring, with all the businesses being closed (though I know we slowly opened everything back up in three phases).
anyone know when federal will make their statement on things today ? i thought there was an update coming.
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Old 28.10.2020, 12:57
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anyone know when federal will make their statement on things today ? i thought there was an update coming.
They havn't announced the time I don't think..

Normally 14.00 though
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Old 28.10.2020, 12:58
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I trust that Russian scientists would be able to develop a vaccine...but the ability to roll it out to the massive population in such a short time isn't plausible.

I would be surprised that Russia would ever report accurate infection numbers...
Well, theoretically everyone is able to develop a vaccine.....from there to actually having a vaccine is a long, long way.

I don't know if they report new infections correctly (hopefully they do) but they don't report deaths related to corona like most other countries do i.e. they don't count chronically ill patients.
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Todays number 8616 with 30k tests

149 hospitalisations
24 death

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Re: Coronavirus

Jeez, I was just sitting here talking about kids bringing the virus home from school, and now my 9-year old just came home from school, for lunch, and told me that an ambulance came to his school today because the teacher of the other* 3rd grade class was so sick.

* There are two third-grade classes at his school, and the teacher who was taken by ambulance is the teacher of the other class -- the one that he's not in.

I just really hope she's okay... and that it is not the virus.
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Anyone who thinks you can rely on the general masses to behave sensibly and responsibly to the point of controlling a pandemic is delusional. Hard rules that are enforced are the only way to get people to (for the most part) do what you want them to do when it comes to situations like this where the risks of a situation are not obvious or even visible to many people and their urge to 'carry on as normal' and let their guard down is strong.

Well, the culture around here is not compatible with authoritarian benevolent rulers. It may not control a pandemic in an optimal way but it prevents uglier stuff in the long term. We can leave in peace in spite of differences.
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Re: Coronavirus

A friend of mine in Geneva has got COVID for the second time, after 5 months she no longer had any antibodies. The new positive test came cack yesterday.
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