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Old 28.10.2020, 16:44
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If there are no available ICU beds here in two weeks, the Swiss government will have to blame itself.
No, because the Cantons can, if they want, have stricter measures. Eg. BL and BS are doing really well since April really, why would we need to go under lockdown because those buggers in Schwyz don't want to play ball?
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This is what I don't understand. As long as Numbers, esp. Hospitalization is this high, do this economy specialists really think I feel like going out having a jaunty blast in Restaurants and Bars?


They just don't want to close them down to avoid paying reimbursements. Which would be the only right thing to do.
According to today's Tagi many have already stopped going...
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Old 28.10.2020, 16:50
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I was at Globus Bellevue on Monday around lunchtime. Normally, the place is packed and it's tough to navigate to the back of store and reach the escalators. But on Monday, I think I counted less than 8 customers in the main food area.
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I was at Globus Bellevue on Monday around lunchtime. Normally, the place is packed and it's tough to navigate to the back of store and reach the escalators. But on Monday, I think I counted less than 8 customers in the main food area.
Exactly, the lack of faith in people on these pages is so depressing
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Old 28.10.2020, 16:51
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Lockdown would be pointless as cases would just rebound. We simply aren't going to get through the winter without a lot of cases or deaths.

That said, I hope its enough to stop hospitals from overflowing. If not its a big miscalculation.
I can see the gov negotiating how much subsidy private sector gets for an ICU bed + staff and gaining a bit of time for businesses to keep afloat here. I think they'd prefer to shoulder medical bills 1st and let public decide if they safely frequent their favorite restaurant, instead of businesses closing for good and private hospitals being empty? I may be wrong but I think it could be the case..
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Old 28.10.2020, 16:53
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Yes I really do! We just won't see the results immediately, but this worked in March and I think now with the numbers rising so fast and the messaging from the State being clear, that people will now take a lot more caution, if they haven't done so already.
the majority might take care but they still end up mixing with the minority. Increase in numbers may slow but the numbers will still continue to rise.
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What would be appropriate, significant measures for you?
A circuit breaker "lockdown" in affected cantons for 2 weeks so the hospital situation can regain control. By "lockdown", I mean what we had in Spring...not like what you see in Spain and certain parts of France.

There is absolutely nothing I see in these measures today that will change anything besides clubs closing and university courses being conducted remotely. But we have moved past the young people being the main driver of this virus...
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Gyms? Any more info?
Looks like very restricted. I think this covers it...:

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So allowed with sufficient distancing and wearing masks
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Are they f'ing kidding us? Am I the only one that is livid at their political cowardliness?
What political cowardliness? Short of locking everyone up indefinitely, no other "leader" has any idea anywhere and very few people will continue to put up with that while seeing their livelihoods, social life (reminder: human beings are social beings) as well as mental and physical health go down the drain.

So yes, this is very sensible and very non-coward. That sooner or later the Swedish approach was the only approach - and mind you is also precisely what every country at some point agreed to do in case of pandemics (ridiculous lockdowns and border closure certainly never formed part of that pandemic strategy) - was crystal clear.

You are free to lock yourself in for as long as you would like to, you don't need the government to tell you that though.
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Re: Coronavirus

Also - from the way I read it it, Switzerland is open for business from a travel perspective.. only these places will have to qurantine.

Areas of neighbouring countries

France:

Region Hauts-de-France
Region Île de France
Overseas area French Polynesia

Countries and areas*
Andorra
Armenia
Belgium
Czech Republic
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So - I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.
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Old 28.10.2020, 16:58
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Exactly, the lack of faith in people on these pages is so depressing
It's hard to have 'faith' when we've already seen so many people expressing here on the EF that they are unwilling to adjust their behavior. e.g. Refusing to wear a mask.
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Yes I really do! We just won't see the results immediately, but this worked in March and I think now with the numbers rising so fast and the messaging from the State being clear, that people will now take a lot more caution, if they haven't done so already.
If we really repeated what we did back in march, numbers would go down.

This new set of rules is by far not as strict as the one in march. Besides, people are tired of it and compliance detoriates.
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Old 28.10.2020, 16:59
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Also - from the way I read it it, Switzerland is open for business from a travel perspective.. only these places will have to qurantine.

Areas of neighbouring countries

France:

Region Hauts-de-France
Region Île de France
Overseas area French Polynesia

Countries and areas*
Andorra
Armenia
Belgium
Czech Republic
Official Link

So - I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.
The list of the few places that have shittier numbers than Switzerland.
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So - I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.
That actually does make sense. What is the point of forcing people into quarantine just because they have arrived from a country with significantly LESS cases than Switzerland? Which is almost everywhere atm.
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I just called my gym and they said they will still be open...
The people who answer the phone and the ones few levels up are generally clueless. It does look like business as usual though.
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A circuit breaker "lockdown" in affected cantons for 2 weeks so the hospital situation can regain control. By "lockdown", I mean what we had in Spring...not like what you see in Spain and certain parts of France.

There is absolutely nothing I see in these measures today that will change anything besides clubs closing and university courses being conducted remotely. But we have moved past the young people being the main driver of this virus...
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Old 28.10.2020, 17:01
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What political cowardliness? Short of locking everyone up indefinitely, no other "leader" has any idea anywhere and very few people will continue to put up with that while seeing their livelihoods, social life (reminder: human beings are social beings) as well as mental and physical health go down the drain.

So yes, this is very sensible and very non-coward. That sooner or later the Swedish approach was the only approach - and mind you is also precisely what every country at some point agreed to do in case of pandemics (ridiculous lockdowns and border closure certainly never formed part of that pandemic strategy) - was crystal clear.

You are free to lock yourself in for as long as you would like to, you don't need the government to tell you that though.
I think they count on self imposed reasonable behavior. I am not sure how that will work for all the staff in little kids institutions but the staff has to figure out I guess, or the main admin, les communes. Close down case by case.

Strict lockdowns as we see now do cause people to rebel, in IT, US, etc.
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Also - from the way I read it it, Switzerland is open for business from a travel perspective.. only these places will have to qurantine.

Areas of neighbouring countries

France:

Region Hauts-de-France
Region Île de France
Overseas area French Polynesia

Countries and areas*
Andorra
Armenia
Belgium
Czech Republic
Official Link

So - I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.
Presumably they want to spend their valuable resources to check that those confirmed infected are complying. Travel is the least of our worries atm with the domestic infections the way they are.
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If we really repeated what we did back in march, numbers would go down.

This new set of rules is by far not as strict as the one in march. Besides, people are tired of it and compliance detoriates.
That's the point, the rules in March were never required in the first place, people had already adjusted their behaviour. R number was declining before lockdown as had peak infection.

Agree people are tired, however I think the last week or two will have refocused the minds.

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It's hard to have 'faith' when we've already seen so many people expressing here on the EF that they are unwilling to adjust their behavior. e.g. Refusing to wear a mask.
Mask wearing is one measure that doesn't help. Like everyone I have adjusted my behaviour and have managed to avoid catching (and spreading) the virus so far, so I must be doing something right!
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Old 28.10.2020, 17:03
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Re: Coronavirus

The Suisse are level headed when it comes to making decisions for the entire country - still gives cantons the freedom to restrict further. Also, Berset effectively acknowledges that a lockdown may indeed happen but that we will have to wait to see if steps already being taken can slow things down - and here, he is right because we should see the cumulative effects of that over next few days

I understand the task force advocated for tougher measures but they are not politicians running a country either. This seemed a form of compromise - whether it was too tepid will be revealed in coming days making it effectively a stepwise reaction rather than going overboard

Anyone thinking the country would take drastic measures hasn't really been paying attention to how things work en Suisse

Let's see how it plays out but ultimately we are not children, we need to take steps individually & be responsible first & foremost
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