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Scientists have now confirmed that women who have put on weight during lockdown will live longer than any man who mentions it.
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Old 29.10.2020, 10:49
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she is in favour of a bailout, not a lockdown. i'm sure if would be different is she was forced to close without compensation.
That's a bit the point of the lock down. For all those forum members here that are working in corporate environments and whose main impact is that they need to spend more time on teams now and make their own coffee, a lock down is a great solution.

For the people that suddenly have no income or no job, or for the "essential workers" that need to go out and commute to keep key services running, it's a totally different story.
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Old 29.10.2020, 10:51
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That's a bit the point of the lock down. For all those forum members here that are working in corporate environments and whose main impact is that they need to spend more time on teams now and make their own coffee, a lock down is a great solution.

For the people that suddenly have no income or no job, or for the "essential workers" that need to go out and commute to keep key services running, it's a totally different story.

Not all corporate people can work from home, still companies that do not allow working from home, even if that is possible.
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Old 29.10.2020, 10:53
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Not all corporate people can work from home, still companies that do not allow working from home, even if that is possible.
Yes, that's ridiculous. Let's hope that we can get rid of micromanagement in the Covid crisis. Would be a good side-effect.
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Old 29.10.2020, 10:57
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I've answered that so many times already, that Sweden claim they were hit harder at the beginning of the pandemic, that Sweden failed in protecting care homes.

Now Denmark has a higher infection rate than Sweden. All the countries you mentioned are doing better than the rest of Europe in spite of having no mandatory mask requirement. More inconvenient reference points!
Denmark is at roughly the same rate as Sweden (slightly lower if you're being picky). Last Friday they announced a similar set of measures to Switzerland. Their second wave came later than ours and they have reacted faster.
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Old 29.10.2020, 10:59
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Well elders stand a good chance of beating Covid but they stand no chance surving lockdown.

So in order to protect the elder from covid, we make sure we kill them, so they don't catch covid. So everybody can feel safe
Another good reason why the Swiss government struck the right balance yesterday. London Ambulance service have reported a near doubling of the number of suicide and suicide attempts they're attending compared to this time last year. 37 per day

https://twitter.com/Ldn_Ambulance/st...66876732952581
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:00
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This may have been true in July, however by going into a second lockdown Europe has just guaranteed a long and painful double-dip recession. Check out what the markets do today if you don't believe me.
You are still confusing cause and effect, but we will not find space for agreement anyhow.

On the markets, you don't seriously want to tell me that they reflect the main street economy. Markets after their drop in Q1 have basically ignored the recession and just been on the central banks' needle.
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:08
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she is in favour of a bailout, not a lockdown. i'm sure if would be different is she was forced to close without compensation.
A "bailout"? Please ... I thought bailouts were reserved for massive corporations and banks that made bad decisions and were "too big to fail", not small independently owned businesses who are forced to close due to no fault of their own...the government should be there to protect those people.
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:09
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The rest of your post is a lazy smear (accusation of lies and misinformation without any citations) designed to intimidate and not worthy of a response.
Apparently your assertion that my post accusing you of lies and misinformation is a "lazy smear" did warrant a response—by people who could actually provide citations:
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Your cavalier dismissal of Imperial College does not reduce the number of cases in the real world.

Contrary to your claim that "Imperial College forgot to look at T-cells" there is an Imperial College study showing the lungs of severe COVID-19 patients had accumulated a broad range of ‘hyperactivated’ T cells which increased the severity.

Since you have boarded the T cell train you can no doubt supply us with a full peer-reviewed scientific study about how effective T cells are in contributing to COVID immunity?
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On the topic of your repeated misinformation.
The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster.

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More fact-free posting I see.
The projection of 260,000 assumed just 2 measures. Quarantining of families where someone had symptoms plus social distancing of over 70s. As you (bloody well should) know, the actual measures taken went a long way past that.

Their scenario 2 assumed a full lockdown and projected 20,000 deaths (mid value with a fair range of possibilities). As HMG were so late in bringing lockdown in, the current number is rather higher.

I owuld also remind you that Edinburgh University reviewed the projections and methodology and confirmed them.

Yet another lie. Their actual advice was to stop using lockdowns as your primary control method

As for Sweden....well your elephant is to explain why they are so massively worse than Denmark, Norway and Finland.
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Denmark is at roughly the same rate as Sweden (slightly lower if you're being picky). Last Friday they announced a similar set of measures to Switzerland. Their second wave came later than ours and they have reacted faster.
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I received a number of positive and encouraging messages from members who agree with me on this subject.
Indeed, zero is a number. Or was it the usual set of two or three people who blindly applaud every uninformed statement you make?
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:10
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You are still confusing cause and effect, but we will not find space for agreement anyhow.

On the markets, you don't seriously want to tell me that they reflect the main street economy. Markets after their drop in Q1 have basically ignored the recession and just been on the central banks' needle.
No I'm not telling you that, just that they give an indication into confidence. I'm still astounded at the run the markets have been on, at some point I expect something will have to give.
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:15
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He's just wasting people's time, and I think that is what is most annoying.
To be fair, being here in itself is a waste of time. We have only ourselves to blame for time-wasting part and lack of self-control. I joined this forum to get info on goat sheds mainly and have ended up wasting so much time on other topics Life in itself is a waste of time, so you are ok (my sinking ship thread)

This Corona does not seem to be a simple 2 + 2 = 4 equation based on currently available info. There are many variables and unknowns so no one can claim that they have access to the ultimate truth on how to deal with this situation.

So, Tony, FMF, V__ etc have not said anything on the same level as flat Earth society. I mean I don't agree with many of their views but it never gets me worked up. Even Chuff who seems to have a vendetta against me does not get me riled up, I find his square personality highly entertaining and sweet

So learn to take/ignore opposing views even if you are convinced about facts/truths being on your side. It will make you a better and mentally stronger person. Life will always be full of people like Tony and Chuff, it is on us to stay mentally centred and calm. It will be a long winter, so we need all types of people.


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Old 29.10.2020, 11:16
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Another good reason why the Swiss government struck the right balance yesterday. London Ambulance service have reported a near doubling of the number of suicide and suicide attempts they're attending compared to this time last year. 37 per day

https://twitter.com/Ldn_Ambulance/st...66876732952581
Why do you think this is specifically related to pubs and other social activities being closed? While I'm sure it does have an impact, the amount of negativity, uncertainty and stress in the world (partially caused by this massive civil divide) are also contributing factors that you anti-maskers somehow refuse to acknowledge.
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:17
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Apparently your assertion that my post accusing you of lies and misinformation is a "lazy smear" did warrant a response—by people who could actually provide citations:

Indeed, zero is a number. Or was it the usual set of two or three people who blindly applaud every uninformed statement you make?
Marton has been on my ignore list for months now so I don't see anything that he/she posts. Ironically for the reason, amongst many others of posting links to Time magzine articles and presenting them as confirmation/fact when no one takes Time magazine seriously anymore.

Baboon's posts I responded to, and as you can see, nothing that I've said is either a lie nor misinformation.
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You are still confusing cause and effect, but we will not find space for agreement anyhow.

On the markets, you don't seriously want to tell me that they reflect the main street economy. Markets after their drop in Q1 have basically ignored the recession and just been on the central banks' needle.
Im not sure i'd agree with that. Sectors badly exposed to covid have plummeted.
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:20
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Even Chuff who seems to have a vendetta against me does not get me riled up, I find his square personality highly entertaining and sweet
If you are being serious with that cringeworthy 'vendetta' stuff then I honestly recommend you get out of the house a little more and stop obsessing about the forum so much, because I can assure you that the only time you ever enter my thoughts is when I directly see one of your (usually daft as hell) posts. I just think you're a bit of a plonker and post accordingly, don't read too much into it.
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:22
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Im not sure i'd agree with that. Sectors badly exposed to covid have plummeted.
...but not (at least mostly) due to lockdown. It's the near death of the travel/tourism sector causing most market problems and the summer clearly showed they happen without lockdowns.
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Im not sure i'd agree with that. Sectors badly exposed to covid have plummeted.
Of course, I had in mind the major indices. That Luft hansa share does not look so good.
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Re: Coronavirus

In the meantime, and I know that some of the esteemed EF members strongly disagree with this, the CNN is catching up with reality


"while recorded Covid-19 cases are spiking in the United Kingdom, France, Spain, Germany and other European countries, deaths are not rising at the same rate."

A certain especially touchy EF member was trying to convince us otherwise, but of course, her spreading misinformation is gracefully ignored by the vast majority of her friends.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/28/e...ntl/index.html
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:35
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If you are being serious with that cringeworthy 'vendetta' stuff then I honestly recommend you get out of the house a little more and stop obsessing about the forum so much, because I can assure you that the only time you ever enter my thoughts is when I directly see one of your (usually daft as hell) posts.
Thanks for proving my point about your boring, square personality, you never fail to deliver.

I live in a flat but thanks, I was just out and bought some fresh Turmeric roots from Alnatura, I hear it provides protection against Corona and helps with brain health too (Chuff, I feel you need to up your dosage though)
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Old 29.10.2020, 11:39
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Re: Coronavirus

Seems to me that a lot of emotions are running high today, I expect this has something to do with many being bitterly disappointed at the measures announced yesterday.

Just try to remember, for the vast majority of people, you are in control of whether you catch the virus or not. And as Superman would say, statistically speaking, the chances of it affecting you severely are very small indeed!
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