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Sure because they haven't all universally embarrassed themselves before, for example by reporting that "a healthy 29-year old with no pre-existing conditions died from Covid" in May, followed by a lengthy interview with an "expert" how "the healthy young" presumably suddenly all die from this too, only to then have to report less than 12 hours later, thag said 29-year old was perfectly alive and kicking.
Last week a 17-year old girl died "because of the covid". People were bombarded with this news. Her sister debunked it. It turned out, that the poor girl was struggling with her hearth her whole life. She was tested covid positive, when she died.
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The border with Germany is still open at Basel. The RheinCenter was absolutely heaving last night. No concept of social distancing.
Just because something is allowed doesnt mean its a good idea
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Old 30.10.2020, 13:39
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Considering that for the french the only acceptable justification for going outside their homes is for essential work purposes, medical appointments, to help vulnerable individuals, exercise for one hour within a 1km radius of their homes and to do grocery shopping it would be very strange if we could just nip over for some shoping.
Thanks! I know what their derogation form stipulates. It was just a question, particularly as there are scores of folks who shop cross border and are probably wondering What now. So the answer is probably not
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Just a note for all living in areas where restuarants have had to close:

If your favorite local resturants are able to offer take away - as many did in the first wave - if you can, please consider ordering from them regularily, with the same frequency (or more!) that you would normally visit in person.

It's a small thing, but all the small things we can collectively do to support our communities add up to make a difference.
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The corona taskforce is holding its ordinary press conference at 14.00 to inform about the current situation.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wo-steh...g-539679304802
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Old 30.10.2020, 14:03
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No I don't! But you have to admit that the evidence simply isn't compelling, there just is no pattern anywhere to be found. Proof is hard to come by so in the end it comes down to faith and politics as this handy little chart shows.


No doubt Tony Clifton might be interested in the resurrection of the Anti-Mask League of San Francisco that
was formed during the Spanish flu pandemic and whose new members could boast The Barbershop Quartet.

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New measures in canton Jura starting Monday.

Closure of bars and restaurants, cinemas, museums, sporting facilities, etc.
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Old 30.10.2020, 14:38
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Wasn't there someone on here yesterday saying that the Imperial College study was PROOF of the Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty projection of 100,000 new cases in the UK per day by October?

Well not according to the University of Cambridge! 55,000 cases per day doubling every 17 days. That's the darn problem with science, no one is ever in agreement

Now about that misinformation...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cond-wave.html

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Old 30.10.2020, 14:49
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Now about that misinformation...

For someone who claims to be a Christian, you seem to delight in trying to show others where they went wrong, according to your opinion.
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Old 30.10.2020, 14:53
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For someone who claims to be a Christian, you seem to delight in trying to show others where they went wrong, according to your opinion.
Just turn the other mask covered cheek.
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Old 30.10.2020, 14:56
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For someone who claims to be a Christian, you seem to delight in trying to show others where they went wrong, according to your opinion.
Oh come on, yesterday was ridiculous. An unwarranted, personal attack from someone who is supposed to be a moderator on this forum. I think I should be entitled to enjoy this small vindication.
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Wasn't there someone on here yesterday saying that the Imperial College study was PROOF of the Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty projection of 100,000 new cases in the UK per day by October?

Well not according to the University of Cambridge! 55,000 cases per day doubling every 17 days. That's the darn problem with science, no one is ever in agreement

Now about that misinformation...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cond-wave.html
This is what I meant about not what you say but how you say it and you are by no means the only person guilty of this.

You could make your point perfectly well without all the silly tongue pulling and points scoring comments. It’s all rather childish and tedious.
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Old 30.10.2020, 15:08
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This is what I meant about not what you say but how you say it and you are by no means the only person guilty of this.

You could make your point perfectly well without all the silly tongue pulling and points scoring comments. It’s all rather childish and tedious.
Thanks for the feedback, perhaps that is childish. It's also not nice either to be on the receiving end of it either. Emojis are just the way of another way of communicating, and I accept I use them more than most! On the other side, you shouldn't read too much into them, or should you? I dunno
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Old 30.10.2020, 15:09
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New measures in canton Jura starting Monday.

Closure of bars and restaurants, cinemas, museums, sporting facilities, etc.
First canton to runs out of ICU beds.


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Old 30.10.2020, 15:19
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Emojis are just the way of another way of communicating, and I accept I use them more than most! On the other side, you shouldn't read too much into them, or should you? I dunno
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Old 30.10.2020, 15:28
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Wasn't there someone on here yesterday saying that the Imperial College study was PROOF of the Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty projection of 100,000 new cases in the UK per day by October?

Well not according to the University of Cambridge! 55,000 cases per day doubling every 17 days. That's the darn problem with science, no one is ever in agreement

Now about that misinformation...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cond-wave.html
Daily Fail. No link to the original dat and studies.

Imperial College REACT:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2075...england-react/
Cambridge Nowcast:
https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/tackli...g-of-covid-19/

Cambridge says doubling time is 17 days (14.2, 23.5). Imperial College says doubling time of 9.0 days (6.1, 17.7). They are in perfect agreement with each other.

Also the 95% confidence intervals of both studies nearly match regarding daily new infections.
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'However, both this group and the REACT group are very careful to estimate the uncertainty in their numbers. For something moving as quickly as Covid-19, there is always going to be uncertainty. This is the scientific process, the 95 per cent confidence intervals from each study for new cases per day are REACT (86,000 to 105,000) Nowcast (38,400–81,600).
Or in other words. Both studies have nearly same result. Actually: Wow, considering they used very different methods.

tl;dr; Scientist sees the two studies came to nearly the same result, is amazed. Laypersons sees huge difference, is outraged about "science".
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Old 30.10.2020, 15:44
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Daily Fail. No link to the original dat and studies.

Imperial College REACT:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2075...england-react/
Cambridge Nowcast:
https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/tackli...g-of-covid-19/

Cambridge says doubling time is 17 days (14.2, 23.5). Imperial College says doubling time of 9.0 days (6.1, 17.7). They are in perfect agreement with each other.

Also the 95% confidence intervals of both studies nearly match regarding daily new infections.


Or in other words. Both studies have nearly same result. Actually: Wow, considering they used very different methods.

tl;dr; Scientist sees the two studies came to nearly the same result, is amazed. Laypersons sees huge difference, is outraged about "science".
"Perfect agreement with each other", so much so that even with allowance for confidence interval there is no overlap. Or in real terms a range of 60,000+.

Doesn't matter anyway, both freely admit there is major uncertainties in their studies and can hardly be used to verify the equally unreliable projection set out by Whitty and Vallance.
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Of course, the study failed its peer review
Source?

It really doesn't make any conclusion other than medical masks are better than cloth masks (which surely is not contentious) - its more of a review article than anything.

I'd imagine its more likely to be rejected as not impactful enough than actually wrong.

Why not listen to it and make only medical / N95 masks allowed? Cloth masks were really only suitable for when there was a shortage. Logically their efficacy should be very low and this seems to being born out in the real world.

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They'd only have 1 free bed without COVID-19. Surely they can make some additional capacity there? Or maybe its typical for SO ppl to get treatment in another kanton. They aren't one of the worse off hit cantons so far - its illogical they would be the first ones going under because of the pandemic.

(Not trying to belittle the pressure on hospitals - but this one doesn't really make sense to me. It would logically be the French bit that goes underwater first)

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This is what I meant about not what you say but how you say it and you are by no means the only person guilty of this.

You could make your point perfectly well without all the silly tongue pulling and points scoring comments. It’s all rather childish and tedious.
And some others (always the same three or four) constantly groan at or red rep everyone whose opinion they don't agree with. Talk about childish.
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