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Re: Coronavirus

What is the point of saying that restaurants have to close at 23...since they normally close at 23 or even earlier?

Also...how can the country of Roche and Novartis, with the 2nd most expensive healthcare system in the world, be in such a mess?
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Old 31.10.2020, 09:59
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East Asian countries don't have people protesting that they don't want to wear a mask...
Yet we’re told masks alone won’t stop the spread of the virus.

I wear a mask, I don’t like wearing a mask because they’re uncomfortable and I struggle to understand other people wearing masks. I also don’t think they make any difference so I try to avoid the areas where they’re mandatory. I still wear one where required and I wear it correctly as is nearly everyone else. The problem has to be somewhere else rather than on this small detail of the general virus response.
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Old 31.10.2020, 10:25
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Also...how can the country of Roche and Novartis, with the 2nd most expensive healthcare system in the world, be in such a mess?

Lack of discipline. I do my supermarket shopping in a huge COOP in Schwyz. During the height of the first wave, amongst the hundreds of shoppers, I could probably count the number of masks on one hand.


During the same time, on a day trip to Zurich there seemed to be absolutely no sign of a pandemic. Crowded streets and packed cafes.



Throw into the mix that people were travelling during the summer holidays and the school break in October and the result was inevitable. Not sure what Roche, Novartis nor the healthcare system can do about that
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Old 31.10.2020, 10:25
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I also don’t think they make any difference so I try to avoid the areas where they’re mandatory.
Which may be the reason why they are mandatory...Prevent people from contact, in general. Or minimize to the max.

I think Belgium will show CH what to do next, whether to shutdown or not. The only problem is we'll only know in 3wks. That's how long it took CZ (17 days to be exact) to finally see a small but optimistic improvement (last 2 days 3000-2000 fewer cases per day than the trend).

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Old 31.10.2020, 10:41
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Of course it is not. But people will search for all sorts of probable and improbable personal reasons behind your opinions if your opinions happen to differ from theirs.
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You're doing exactly that too you know. Have done it for many times here and still do it, when it fits. You usually fail at it, but hey ho.
Of course I looked for personal reasons on this thread, for so much ignorance and stubbornness. Btw she mentioned many times here she's travelling a lot just for pleasure, she didn't exactly make any secret of her life style. Yes, I get it, I'd also like to do what I used to do before, but if I want everything to be over sooner I have to change my habits. I have already done that.

Please, try to moderate not stick with one side just for the sake of being contrarian or for paying back for whatever you think it was undeserved criticism.
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Old 31.10.2020, 10:49
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What is the point of saying that restaurants have to close at 23...since they normally close at 23 or even earlier?

Also...how can the country of Roche and Novartis, with the 2nd most expensive healthcare system in the world, be in such a mess?
What places you are comparing CH to, to say that "it is such a mess". Italy? Spain? UK? France?
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Old 31.10.2020, 10:52
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What places you are comparing CH to, to say that "it is such a mess". Italy? Spain? UK? France?
Why's that important? We all live here and we all invested in this country and in the communities we live in, you know. Do you think it's not natural to worry and have opinions?
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:02
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The whole of east Asia has coped with this virus! They’re carrying on whilst Europe and likely soon the US will bunker down for the winter. The effect this will have on geopolitics will be profound.
I hope not, but can see why economists think so. CZ press has stopped the doom, thankfully, they re-oriented the discourse to what seems to work. I have to say that I see the reasons and think it can help.

Btw - "East Asia has coped", is an interesting statement, too. Especially regarding stats. You have to take media with a grain of salt in this, tbh.
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:05
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Throw into the mix that people were travelling during the summer holidays and the school break in October and the result was inevitable. Not sure what Roche, Novartis nor the healthcare system can do about that
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:16
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The whole of east Asia has coped with this virus! They’re carrying on whilst Europe and likely soon the US will bunker down for the winter. The effect this will have on geopolitics will be profound.
How did they cope exactly....?

Perhaps because they did whatever the govs in other countries didn't do?

It's actually hilarious. You just gave some examples of countries which adopted measures you're totally against to.
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:20
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East Asian countries don't have people protesting that they don't want to wear a mask...
Plus they tested massively from day one plus their contact tracing worked and people complied with it. Plus they also do distancing better when they are asked to.

It's a combination of a number of factors. They learnt from SARS-1 and applied that experience now ruthlessly.
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The whole of east Asia has coped with this virus! They’re carrying on whilst Europe and likely soon the US will bunker down for the winter. The effect this will have on geopolitics will be profound.
Yes, east Asia has had terrific results! And they achieved them through strict lockdowns, mandated wearing of masks, and other temporary suspensions of what you've been screeching about as "personal freedom".

When everybody pulls together, they can achieve the desired result.

Thank you for endorsing the obvious solution.
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What places you are comparing CH to, to say that "it is such a mess". Italy? Spain? UK? France?
If you want to put it that way, yes. The Swiss infection numbers are significantly worse than all 4 you name.

IIRC only Czech and Belgium are currently worse.
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:35
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This link was posted earlier by MajorGrubert. I think it's worth reposting for all of you who still think this is about the Covid deaths or about the risk groups only. Use google translate if necessary.

https://blogs.letemps.ch/jacques-nei...r-le-cocotier/

I really don't get why the likes of Samaire or Clifton appear to be unable to grasp this rather simple premis. I guess it doesn't fit to their political narrative.

Without a turnround in the numbers this is where we will be in about 10 to 12 days from now.
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REGN-COV2, the Trump-tested antibody cocktail for treatment of COVID-19, has hit a major speedbump. Regeneron, the developer of the therapy, has been informed that the trials of the cocktail have generated a potential safety signal, i.e. there are concerns about the risk/benefit profile of the drugs. Regeneron has been ordered to halt enrolment of sicker patients (the ones the therapy was most expected to help) while data on those already enrolled is analyzed.
AstraZeneca has entered into a manufacturing agreement with the Swiss company Lonza to produce a long-acting antibody cocktail to treat COVID-19. (Production would take place in the US.) It's early days—only Phase I trials—but production (presumably just for clinical trials, initially) is expected to start in the first half of next year.

Hopefully at least one of the antibody-based therapies under investigation at the moment will be approved.
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:42
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IIRC only Czech and Belgium are currently worse.
Currently, yes. I unfortunately think that they might still be where CH, CZ and Belgium are now, with some delay. Hope not.
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:51
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Looks to me that CH are trying to just blow through it with a large sharp peak. Or at least that's what their actions suggest. Is there any modelling on what the Max number of cases would be with current measures or similar?
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Old 31.10.2020, 11:59
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Looks to me that CH are trying to just blow through it with a large sharp peak. Or at least that's what their actions suggest. Is there any modelling on what the Max number of cases would be with current measures or similar?
I am sure the gov has them, hence the gradual steps instead of draconial preventative measures. They must have a ton of those models, economy ones as well, effect on unemployment, effect on permit quotas - all adjustments that snowball and multiply..The only things I see different now than March are open schools and borders, only restricted bars/restos. Those might be the next measures to come (as it was in CZ, Belgium..they also have a curfew in CZ, 9pm and no shopping at all on Sundays).
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Old 31.10.2020, 12:09
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Which may be the reason why they are mandatory...Prevent people from contact, in general. Or minimize to the max.

I think Belgium will show CH what to do next, whether to shutdown or not. The only problem is we'll only know in 3wks. That's how long it took CZ (17 days to be exact) to finally see a small but optimistic improvement (last 2 days 3000-2000 fewer cases per day than the trend).
CZ is still in deep trouble.
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Old 31.10.2020, 12:12
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Yes, east Asia has had terrific results! And they achieved them through strict lockdowns, mandated wearing of masks, and other temporary suspensions of what you've been screeching about as "personal freedom".

When everybody pulls together, they can achieve the desired result.

Thank you for endorsing the obvious solution.
Developed countries like Japan and South Korea have never entered into full lockdowns. Don’t you think there’s a little more to it?

Funny how people are so quick to point the fingers at others.
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