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I can see that very useful, the nursing highschools are super tough and specialized and ready to work, like they are here. At 18 they used to be done with all, off to hospitals/real life/salary. The EU requirement to have a Bachelor in nursing is relatively recent, many nurses do it while they already work.I am not surprised CNN picked up on it. Yeah, looks tough there, anyways. Loads of students are sent to help, I doubt they feel coerced. It is a matter of helping the country and people.
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Old 31.10.2020, 12:18
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Developed countries like Japan and South Korea have never entered into full lockdowns.
What did South Korea do differently..trace/track, apps, reduced social contact?
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Old 31.10.2020, 12:46
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Here is an interesting report https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...tI&app=desktop
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:12
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Re: Coronavirus

This is an interesting video, although I cannot help but feel it isn't really helping anyone is it. Its tone suggests covid-19 isn't an issue at all, and everyone on the planet is over reacting.

I have access to covid-19 pathogen, would you like me to send you some. You infect yourself at home and report back to us. Tell us what it feels like to lose your sense of smell, your sense taste. Tell us how it feels to be so weak you cannot get out of bed. Keep us updated over the following weeks? Will you recover, will your life forever be just a little less than it was.
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:13
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This is an interesting video, although I cannot help but feel it isn't really helping anyone is it. Its tone suggests covid-19 isn't an issue at all, and everyone on the planet is over reacting.

I have access to covid-19 pathogen, would you like me to send you some. You infect yourself at home and report back to us. Tell us what it feels like to lose your sense of smell, your sense taste. Tell us how it feels to be so weak you cannot get out of bed. Keep us updated over the following weeks? Will you recover, will your life forever be just a little less than it was.
I have had COVID 19, have antibodies, so can already report back already.
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:15
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Looks to me that CH are trying to just blow through it with a large sharp peak. Or at least that's what their actions suggest. Is there any modelling on what the Max number of cases would be with current measures or similar?
Well, the maximum number of infections would be about 8.65 million.

That's not really a joke, by the way.
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:17
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You wonder how this has been allowed to happen. Nobody sane wants hospitals to overflow. The French bit of CH will be next. I think it may already be too late to stop happening. The German side also needs imminent measures. The gyms and restaurants are still full.
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:20
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That's not really a joke, by the way.
I meant daily. I would guess somewhere in the very vague ballpark of 100-200k (real not just those tested positive) with a normal distribution - which is still 2-3 weeks away and we don't have anywhere close to that capacity by the looks of things.

But hit that we will unless some measures are put into place within a week.
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Developed countries like Japan and South Korea have never entered into full lockdowns. Donít you think thereís a little more to it?
No.

And especially not for Switzerland, at this point, if we want to achieve the same results.

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Funny how people are so quick to point the fingers at others.
That's strange. I could have sworn you just pointed at Japan and South Korea.
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I have had COVID 19, have antibodies, so can already report back already.
You had antibodies when you were tested some time ago. Would you like to take markalex up on his/her offer and see how good your supposed immunity is now?
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:27
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Developed countries like Japan and South Korea have never entered into full lockdowns. Donít you think thereís a little more to it?

Funny how people are so quick to point the fingers at others.
I came across an article describing Japanís COVID-19 response. Japan has a high population density and high percentage of old people, but they managed to keep not only low rate of infections, but also low rate of deaths, having a very light lockdown measures.

They say that these factors played a role:
ē Easy access to medical care under the national health insurance system
ē Generally high quality of medical care, even in rural areas, with hospitals supported by a national network of local public health centers (hokenjo)
ē The Japanese publicís high standard of hygiene, willingness to comply with government requests, and other cultural traits and lifestyle habits

In addition, these 2 factors seemed to play an important role:
1. Early detection of transmission waves
2. Cluster-based approach

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https://www.mofa.go.jp/files/100061341.pdf
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:29
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Reinfection rates are still really low. On a population level immunity from this wave will last until the vaccine presuming it's coming in roughly on schedule. That's basically certain.

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Old 31.10.2020, 13:42
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Interesting. So tell us did it make you feel ill? or was it just like flu? Did you lose your sense of smell, your sense of taste?

Have you completely recovered? And you now feel that the whole thing is over blown?
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This is an interesting video, although I cannot help but feel it isn't really helping anyone is it. Its tone suggests covid-19 isn't an issue at all, and everyone on the planet is over reacting.

I have access to covid-19 pathogen, would you like me to send you some. You infect yourself at home and report back to us. Tell us what it feels like to lose your sense of smell, your sense taste. Tell us how it feels to be so weak you cannot get out of bed. Keep us updated over the following weeks? Will you recover, will your life forever be just a little less than it was.
A few people have long lasting symptoms then do get slowly better - and even that's atypical. But your statement is just hyperbolic project fear.
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Old 31.10.2020, 13:51
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I have had COVID 19, have antibodies, so can already report back already.
If I were you Iíd be getting tested again just to see how good your antibody status is now.
T cells almost certainly have a part to play in immunity but I wouldnít be relying on them if I were in your shoes, there are still far too many unknowns.
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I have had COVID 19, have antibodies, so can already report back already.
As I think 22Y was alluding to, you won't still have the antibodies themselves, they typically only stick around for a few days. What you hope you have is an immune system that will be quickly triggered by a repeat infection and produce the antibodies quickly enough to avoid getting ill.

One of the reasons that some of the reports of repeated infection may be confusing (or indeed just confused) is if they're based on testing positive for antibodies a second time. Yes, of course a repeat exposure to the virus will provoke an immune response which will then produce the antibodies. That's how immunity works, and is absolutely not a sign that an individual has not acquired immunity from a previous infection.

Depending on the overall health of the patient, and more specifically how good their immune system is functioning, it's quite understandable that in some people it may take some time time for a reinfection to be eradicated, and in some people it may have time to actually make them sick again before the immune response is strong enough, but in nearly all cases any symptoms from a second or subsequent infection will be much milder and the length of infection much shorter.
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My husband and I both tested positive to antibodies in July, and I am not sure when and how we were infected. Since March we might have had a couple of instances of slight cold but don’t really know which one of these was Corona.

Our son tested positive to Covid-19 infection in September, and he was staying in the same house with us. He didn’t infect us, at least we didn’t feel sick, so the antibodies seem to last for at least 3 months.

Edit - we are fully recovered. My husband ran marathon last week, unfortunately alone, since all marathons this year are being cancelled. Lausanne marathon was actually scheduled but cancelled last minute because of the second wave.

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Interesting. So tell us did it make you feel ill? or was it just like flu? Did you lose your sense of smell, your sense of taste?

Have you completely recovered? And you now feel that the whole thing is over blown?
Please donít, weíve heard enough from him on this thread. He thinks it isnít a big deal because he recovered and is happy to talk about it. I know you mean well, but have a quick search the thread if you want to know more...
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Re: Coronavirus

The immune response seems to be good after 5 months from the infection, according to this study.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...-response.html
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Please don’t, we’ve heard enough from him on this thread. He thinks it isn’t a big deal because he recovered and is happy to talk about it. I know you mean well, but have a quick search the thread if you want to know more...
I think he's more than smart enough to realise he isn't yet 60, so his recovery would be highly expected (if not guaranteed), and that the disease is still a significant risk to the elderly. Basically so what if he recovered easily.
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